SS- Pz.Art.Rgt.9

[Floris]

Hello,


I hope if someone could help me out with the following:

Wich companies of the Artilleriegruppe III.Abt./SS-Pz.Art.9 (Karl Godau) where attached to the so called Kampfgruppe "Heinke" during their fights in southern Holland '44?
And wich companies of the SS-Pz.Art.9 where stationed in Dieren (Arnhem) september '44?


Regards,

Floris

[Floris]

Has nobody information? Or an idea were to search for this?

Floris

[Floris]

Nobody interessted in the Frundsberg and Hohenstaufendivision on this forum?

[Erwin L]

Hello my friend

I guess that all the experts are on vacation . I hope you will hear something. Normally you get bombed by facts.

i hope they will react soon

Regards Erwin

[Seiler]

Floris,
Sent you an e mail.
Seiler

[Floris]

Hello Seiler,


I received your e-mail.
Thanks for the information.
More info on this is still welcome.
I can't imagine that there are only 2 people on this forum that are interrested in the Hohenstaufen/Frundsberg division.
Is this the right forum for the search of this information?

Anybody?

Floris

[Simon O.]

Hi Floris

This is primarily a collectors forum, most aren't into detailed research and history and your question requires very detailed knowledge about Market-Garden and Hoh\Frun which i'd imagine isn't available in books.

Best place to ask is the axis history forum, that's where most of the historians and researchers hang out.

[Seiler]

Hi Floris.Sent you another email.Let me know if rcvd OK as having gremlin troubles tonite..
Seiler

[Floris]

Hi Floris

This is primarily a collectors forum, most aren't into detailed research and history and your question requires very detailed knowledge about Market-Garden and Hoh\Frun which i'd imagine isn't available in books.

Best place to ask is the axis history forum, that's where most of the historians and researchers hang out.

Hello Simon,

Thanks for your reply.
Maybe I should try the Axis forum like you said.
Good info about the frundsberg division is hard to get.
This is from wich I know one of the very few SS division that hasn't a complete Kriegsgeschichte written by former members.
Harmel was collecting info of this division to be published but it never get finished sadly.

@Seiler: I have only received one e-mail from you tonight so far.


Floris

[Eric JB]

Hello Seiler,


I received your e-mail.
Thanks for the information.
More info on this is still welcome.
I can't imagine that there are only 2 people on this forum that are interrested in the Hohenstaufen/Frundsberg division.
Is this the right forum for the search of this information?

Anybody?

Floris

Hi Floris,

Typ Hohenstaufen or Frundsberg on Google and the first hours we don't see you here , really a lot of links you will find there....also for Market Garden....

yours
Eric-Jan

[Ostfries]

link,

Hello Floris, here perhaps an interesting link I found, containing a small list of SS troops in the Arnhem area, good luck with your research, http://p092.ezboard.com/fjpspanzersfrm68.showMessageRange?topicID=422.topi c&start=61&stop=80

[Erwin L]

hello my friend

I guess the came back from their hollidays

regards Erwin

[Eric JB]

Hi Floris,Taken from a short Google search, and much more to find there.KG 9SS Div (17 Sept)SS Pz Regt 9 (no tanks) North of ArnhemSS Regt 19 (no hvy wps) ZutphenSS Regt 20 (no hvy wps) RhedenSS Recon Abt 9 (400 men 30 HT/Armd cars) HoenderloSS Trg 16 (Kraft) North of ArnhemSS Pz Art 9 (no guns) DierenSS AA Det 9 (4x20mm guns) DierenSS Eng Bn 9 (60 men) BrummenSS Pz Jg (120 men, no hvy wps) SW of ApeldoornKampfgruppe 'Heinke' SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 19 Bataillon II Strength: 300 SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 21 Bataillon II Strength: 200 SS Panzerjäger Abteilung 10 English name : Anti-Tank Battalion Armament : 15 x Jagdpanzer IV Bataillon I, SS AR 10 Armament : 12 x 105L28 leFH 18 Bataillon I, SS AR 9 Armament : 6 x Wespe 105 (H) Kampfgruppe W/SS FlaK Battalion 10 English name : Battle Group W/SS Anti-Aircraft Battalion 10 Armament : 3 x 20L113 FlaK 38, and 2 x 88L56 FlaK 18 yoursEric-Jan

[Floris]

Hello Meindert,

Thanks for the link. I didn't knew this one.


Hello Eric-Jan,

Also thanks for your reply and short search on the web.
I have several books about Market-Garden and both SS divisions.
But beside the strenght and units that took part in the battles in Holland '44 I can't find wich companies where send to Arnhem and wich companies of the SS- Pz.Art.Rgt.9 were attached to the so called Kampfgruppe Heinke wich was part of the Kampfgruppe Walther.

Maybe I should search longer on the web to find out.
I hoped that someone here could give me this information.

Floris

[Revellations]

Well I thought I might get involved in this topic considering my area of research and website Defending Arnhem.

I think Floris you are not going to find the exact answer to your question:

Which companies (I assume you mean Batteries) of Pz Art Rgt 9 where fighting in Arnhem and which were with Kampfgruppe 'Heinke' in Southern Holland.

Firstly I hadn't had a chance to answer your question due the fact that I have had quite a bit on in my life at the moment and was planning to do so this weekend. I am currently at work and do not have my research material handy so this is all from memory.

At least one battery group from SS Pz Art Rgt 9 was in southern Holland with Kgr Heinke which I believe was the 10./SS-Pz.Art.Rgt 9 under the command of a SS-Ostuf König. However this might have just been a mixed battery put together with available resources and commanded by the former 10th Battery commander König rather than it being the 10th battery if you get what I mean. I will check my files this weekend so you may have to wait a little while. I can not remember if there were more batteries supporting this Kampfgruppe.

Regarding the forces in Arnhem.....a lot harder. Kershaw (It never snows in September) believes the strength of SS-Pz Art Rgt 9 was around 120 men. I have not seen (does not mean it does not exist) any document that gives a detailed order of battle of SS-Pz Art Rgt 9 before the battle so I can not confirm this.

Also I have not seen anything to identify the batteries that fought in Arnhem. In fact I believe there weren't any specific batteries that fought in Arnhem rather men from all different batteries fighting in a Kampfgruppe. Putting it into context, the Hohenstaufen conducted a fighting withdrawal from France to the area North East of Arnhem. When each man arrived, they were told what village to go to which was their respective sub unit area. So Art Rgt members I think were sent to Dieren. Once there they formed Alarmenheiten (Alarm units) rather than forming official batteries becuase they were planning to move to Siegen Germany for reconstitution of the division. However when the landing occured this alarm unit (made up of men from different batteries) were sent to the front as part of a Kampfgruppe...in this case...Kampfgruppe Spindler.

Also careful using web resources as your source of information to construct TO&Es. A lot of these have been constructed without any proof from orignal documentation. Even Kershaw's book has many mistakes in it that have now been proven wrong due to new information coming to light.

I have been studying this battle for 17+ years and focusing on the German side. I am still suprised of the new information on the battle I receive from veterans and their families and this is 63 years after the battle.

Feel free to contact me if you require any further help. I have a lot of orignal documentation and information at my disposal. I hope this answers your question.

Cheers

Scott