I. Fall.Jäg.Rgt. 2 , Kampfgr. z.b.V.2 ???

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I'm trying to find out how/where a Leutnant from the above Regiment (1/FJR2) may have been wounded in early August 1940 (3 Aug to be specific). Ie, where (I assume in western Europe) might 1/FJR2 have been fighting in early August 1940.

Also, if someone could let me know what the "z.b.V.2" means, I'd appreciate it.

Regards
Mike

[Fallschirmjaeger]

FJ forum section

Yes there is a Fallschirmjäger forum section you could have asked this at,as for august 1940 i see no combat action for the FJ around this time.So this may have beed due to an accident of some sort in training maybe.And what dose this mean,of z.b.V.2,i actualy dont know sorry,someone here should though realy?.

[Erwin L]

hello

z.b.V means Zur Besondern Verwendung

regards erwin

[Fallschirmjaeger]

In english too?

Whats that in english too Erwin mean?,he may want to know awell.

[Erwin L]

I'm sorry i forgot.

It means something like a penalty unit. I don't know if it is the correct translation

regards Erwin

[Erwin L]

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[Larry deZeng]

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I'm trying to find out how/where a Leutnant from the above Regiment (1/FJR2) may have been wounded in early August 1940 (3 Aug to be specific). Ie, where (I assume in western Europe) might 1/FJR2 have been fighting in early August 1940.
Also, if someone could let me know what the "z.b.V.2" means, I'd appreciate it.
Regards
Mike

The Luftwaffe Ju 52 transport unit I./Kampfgeschwader z.b.V. 2 was more commonly referred to as Kampfgruppe z.b.V. 2 during 1940 and later after the Geschwader's other three Gruppen (II., III. and IV.) were deactivated after the campaign in Poland. During 1939-41, except for May of 1940, KGr. z.b.V. 2 was largely involved in providing the Ju 52s used for jump training by the paratroop schools at Wittstock and Braunschweig-Broitzem. Since I don't know of any combat involving Fallschirmjäger in August 1940, I speculate that this may have been a training accident while jumping from a Ju 52 of Kampfgruppe z.b.V. 2.

--BHS1956

[Mike Kenny]

Gents,

I want to thank all those who responded. It has been very informative and I very much appreciate your time and efforts!

One more piece of informaiton which may help tie down the location is the Feldpostnumber on the doc - which is 23325.

Here's a pic as thanks.

Regards
Mike

[Larry deZeng]

FpN 23325

From 2 Jan 40 to spring 1942, that FpN belonged to 4.Kp.Ldschtz.Btl.817, which had absolutely noting to do with the Fallschirmjäger or the Luftwaffe. From 1943 on, it belong to various Heer infantry units.

So something is wrong. Perhaps that's his unit's Mobilisations Nummer and not a Feldpostnummer.

--BHS1956

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

As I understand it, the feldpostnumber would be related to the medical unit / hospital that issued the Wound Badge doc, not his Para unit or the LW unit. In this case it was a Regimental Military Hospital and, strangely, a google search on the issuing doctor Oberstabsarzt Knaebel links him to early Fallschirmjaegerregiments (http://www.balsi.de/Weltkrieg/Einhei...kl-Staffel.htm)

Regards
Mike

[Larry deZeng]

That sounds plausible, yet it still does not correlate to 4.Kp.Ldschtz.Btl.817. At the time of document, August 1940, Landesschützen-Btl. 817 belonged to Korück 585 (AOK 6) and would have been located in the coastal area along the Channel in Normandy. So none of this seems to fit. Landesschützen battalions did not have a medical function. They were mainly used to guard things, such as supply and fuel dumps, bridges, PoW enclosures, etc. Their personnel were drawn from the older age groups, i.e., approximately 35 to 45. People in that age group were too old for the Fallschirmjäger, I think.

--BHS1956

[Larry deZeng]

KNAEBEL, Dr. Wilhelm. 1938 Divisionsarzt/7. Fliegerdivision (to 02.40). 01.03.40 Oberstabsarzt, appt Divisionsarzt/9. Fliegerdivision. 01.01.42 promo to Oberstarzt.

On 3 August 1940, Dr. Knaebel would have been the chief medical officer on the staff of 9. Fliegerdivision which was headquartered at Soesterberg/Holland, having just moved there from Jever in North Germany. The 9. Fliegerdivision was a bomber division that also specialized in anti-shipping and mine laying in the Channel and in the North Sea. It had nothing to do with Fallschirmjäger.

--BHS1956

[peter u]

Hello,

This document is a fake.

Cheers,
Peter

[peter u]

Hello Mike,

Everything is wrong on this awarddocument: the unit citation, the fp stamp, the hospital citation.
Get a refund asap!

Cheers,
Peter

[Eric Queen]

I agree. Not one original atom on this document. Says that this paratrooper was wounded on AUG 03, 1940. Impossible. Of course wound badges were not given for training accidents, etc. The whole thing is a joke.

EQ