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    #16
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    Beautiful piece!!

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      #17
      Ancestry seems to think you might be related.
      Ignored Due To Invisibility.

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        #18
        Stunning sir, you must have been a good lad this year!

        Ross

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          #19
          NJG pokals rare as can be.

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            #20
            A real beauty. Congrats! Bob

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              #21
              I know there is a big debate on cleaning and polishing these Pokals but how vibrant and 'healthy' does that finish look....a superb and well looked after example.

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                #22
                Fanstic Pilot
                Carlo

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by all1knew View Post
                  the piece has absolutely been polished at some point and you can see former residue in the upper bird's beak area and then in the talons on the lower bird. No idea when this was done but generally speaking the goblet has a nice and even layer of patina on it now. William Kramer
                  I am hoping to finally add an Ehrenpokal to my collection in the very near future (it is totally untouched and has not been cleaned) however seeing the patina on your example is already making me consider whether I should have it cleaned when it arrives.

                  You have an excellent Ehrenpokal there.

                  Regards Richard.
                  Always looking for Luftwaffe Kampfflieger related document groups. In particular anything to Kampfgeschwader 2.

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                    #24
                    That every german militaria collectors would like to have.
                    Best
                    Raff
                    "six italians, dressed in rather unusual diving suits and equipped with materials of laughably little cost have swung the military balance of power in the Mediterranean in favour of the Axis".

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by stgeorge64 View Post
                      I am hoping to finally add an Ehrenpokal to my collection in the very near future (it is totally untouched and has not been cleaned) however seeing the patina on your example is already making me consider whether I should have it cleaned when it arrives.

                      You have an excellent Ehrenpokal there.

                      Regards Richard.

                      Subject of "OMG it's been cleaned at some point" always comes up.


                      Do you think the German Pilots never cleaned their silver?


                      Do you think the relatives never cleaned their silver?


                      It's just silly.


                      Alpaka tarnishes faster than the silver pokals. I can't imagine a pilot who earned a Pokal who would have let it turn jet black.



                      So good luck with finding one that has "never" been cleaned.


                      There's clean and there is cleaned inappropriately. I have seen pilot badges dipped and they look awful.


                      Patina in the edges like this one look great. Dip it, turn it into one gleaming hunk of silver and it would look awful.


                      Using a silver cloth and removing fingerprints, seems entirely appropriate.


                      I've seen Pokals with prints and they are ugly. But I would go after the 'right' Pokal with nasty fingerprints and rub them out.



                      The "who" and the "what" much more important than a fingerprint that can be easily rubbed out.

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                        #26
                        Some people use tooth paste ..


                        Very nice NJG pokal !


                        All I got for X-mas is you guys..


                        Jos

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Jos L C View Post
                          Some people use tooth paste ..


                          Very nice NJG pokal !


                          All I got for X-mas is you guys..


                          Jos

                          Tooth paste, OOPS the Alpaka just rubbed right off...

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Brian S View Post
                            Subject of "OMG it's been cleaned at some point" always comes up.

                            Do you think the German Pilots never cleaned their silver?

                            Do you think the relatives never cleaned their silver?

                            It's just silly.

                            Alpaka tarnishes faster than the silver pokals. I can't imagine a pilot who earned a Pokal who would have let it turn jet black.

                            So good luck with finding one that has "never" been cleaned.

                            There's clean and there is cleaned inappropriately. I have seen pilot badges dipped and they look awful.

                            Patina in the edges like this one look great. Dip it, turn it into one gleaming hunk of silver and it would look awful.

                            Using a silver cloth and removing fingerprints, seems entirely appropriate.


                            I've seen Pokals with prints and they are ugly. But I would go after the 'right' Pokal with nasty fingerprints and rub them out.


                            The "who" and the "what" much more important than a fingerprint that can be easily rubbed out.
                            One of the the most reasonable and realistic posts I’ve seen in a long time. Sometimes the polishing debate is ridiculous in its assumptions. It was cared for by the original owner but suddenly after 1945 it shouldn’t have been. Beyond silly.

                            Taking care of any antique properly ensures its survival beyond our lifetimes.

                            Thanks, Brian, for this commentary.



                            J-

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                              #29
                              William Congratulations on a wonderful goblet, the craftsmanship
                              is outstanding and the detail that was put into it amazing.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Brian S View Post
                                Subject of "OMG it's been cleaned at some point" always comes up.


                                Do you think the German Pilots never cleaned their silver?


                                Do you think the relatives never cleaned their silver?


                                It's just silly.


                                Alpaka tarnishes faster than the silver pokals. I can't imagine a pilot who earned a Pokal who would have let it turn jet black.



                                So good luck with finding one that has "never" been cleaned.


                                There's clean and there is cleaned inappropriately. I have seen pilot badges dipped and they look awful.


                                Patina in the edges like this one look great. Dip it, turn it into one gleaming hunk of silver and it would look awful.


                                Using a silver cloth and removing fingerprints, seems entirely appropriate.


                                I've seen Pokals with prints and they are ugly. But I would go after the 'right' Pokal with nasty fingerprints and rub them out.



                                The "who" and the "what" much more important than a fingerprint that can be easily rubbed out.
                                Blimey! I do like a good laugh and this had made my day!

                                I merely said that I was thinking about cleaning a potential Ehrenpokal purchase in the near future. Not quite sure why the reaction in your reply?

                                Surely it is up to the collector if he or she decides to clean/polish or to leave alone?

                                Either way, that reply has made me smile.

                                Have a nice day, Richard.
                                Always looking for Luftwaffe Kampfflieger related document groups. In particular anything to Kampfgeschwader 2.

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