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    LW Para Badge Opinions Please

    I would appricate some feedback on this Para badge. Badge is in exceptional condition. Maker Mark G.Hosang, Dresden. I'll leave the rest to you. I scanned this instead of breaking out the digital camera so one side came out dark,but thier still should be enough detail to draw conclusions.This the obverse.
    Thanks in Advance
    Joe
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    LW Para Badge Reverse

    The reverse.
    Thanks Again
    Joe
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    Last edited by Joseph D'Errico; 09-23-2002, 08:45 PM.
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      #3
      Looks incorrect for an Osang badge. The rivets are different and so is the hinge. The gold wash and patina are also unnatural. Plus the eagle's head looks strange. Where is this being offered? I would pass on this one.

      Yuri

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        #4
        Dear Joe,

        I agree with Yuri, that is not a good badge.

        Apart from the wrong features that Yuri pointed out correctly, you should develop an eye for artificial aging and strange, modern looking surfaces. This badge (wreath) is a good example for very strange surfaces especially on the reverse that you never see on an original, not even on mint badges.

        Or focus on the strangely spotty eagle reverse. Real spotty aging patterns are deliberate, have a different intensity to the spots. This here looks like some fluid sprayed onto the badge which causes some discoloration in the spots where it stuck to the badge. Much like acid spots.

        Another warning sign (also on this badge, reverse wreath) when we talk about strange, modern surfaces are tiny scratches on the back of badges that do not really cut through to the base metal but seem to be glossy when the badge is held against light.

        Here are pics of an Osang badge that Detlev offered recently to compare for you. Note the many differences.

        Cheers, Frank H.
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        Cheers, Frank

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          Joe

          Have the exact same badge as yours with the correct BSW clover mark on reverse. Super quality! For years it was one of my treasured pieces. That was until a few months ago when I saw the exact badge on an auction site, only with the correct Juncker mark. There may be more of these with who knows what other maker marks. Believe I saw another with the Brehner logo.

          Check on Mike Tuckers' page in the repro section and I believe he has one shown their.
          Hope this helps you.

          Ken

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            #6
            Quality issues

            Hi Joe, I'm a neophyte on a lot of WW2 badges, but not to the Manufacture Gustav Osang, of Dresden. Osang made lots of pre-1918 beauties, including my St. Henry Order. I can assue you that all other relative points aside, the badge is inconsistent with the details and quality I would expect from this maker. Most of his items are hand made on presses and hand finished. very,, very high definition, detail and quality. Hope this helps!

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              #7
              Thanks for the responses, now for the details. This was a consigned piece to me from a friend. He wanted me to host it on my site and I did, (until yesterday anyway). The badge arrived in yesterday’s mail (this is a prerequisite for any medals that go onto my site, as well as the seller giving a life time warranty of authenticity). Once I had this puppy in my mits,well I guess the best way I could explain is my eyes were as big as hens eggs. I had this medal on my site for three weeks!! My fault. I started a thread knowing it would not take long to accumulate some good learning points from some of the pros in the association. While I think all feedback is valuable feedback, Frank really nailed this one on the head, while I think the badge is not authentic it represents a very valuable learning instrument. Once you can get by the obvious, there are the other points that Frank mentioned about deliberately added age to a piece. The spraying of acid compounds to reach this end is not unheard of, but the artificial scratches. An excellent observation, I would have never even considered that!! That in itself will save some of us some money and give another vantage point of information, when buying a medal. Call me whatever you want, but what a valuable lesson. I hope that there are additional comments on this from more of the pros. I have dozens of reference books but these forums are so full of information.
              Best
              Regards
              Joe
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