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**Jean-Claude** · 07-10-2017, 02:39 AM

Wait for other opinions to be sure but, to me its a first pattern (J1) Juncker Pilot badge in nickel-silver with a replaced/repaired catch. Detail is good but the swastika is oddly bent out of shape and left outer talon is almost cut off but this appears to have occured at manufacturing because the talon cut aligns with the swastika arm cut as if it was done in one pass. Not unusual to see double makers mark punching: if the guy didnt punch the makers mark strong enough to be visible the first time he would just punch it again.

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JC

**Junker1939** · 07-10-2017, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by Jean-Claude View Post

Wait for other opinions to be sure but, to me its a first pattern (J1) Juncker Pilot badge in nickel-silver with a replaced/repaired catch. Detail is good but the swastika is oddly bent out of shape and left outer talon is almost cut off but this appears to have occured at manufacturing because the talon cut aligns with the swastika arm cut as if it was done in one pass. Not unusual to see double makers mark punching: if the guy didnt punch the makers mark strong enough to be visible the first time he would just punch it again.

Hope this helps

JC

Thanks a lot for your opinion.In Your opinion:First,it is original,there is no doubt.Second,the catch may be repaired.
My question is:the catch seems old,does that mean it was repaired at world war 2?And the eyes of the hawk seems different with j2 and j3.

**Giel VW** · 07-10-2017, 06:31 AM

Nice original J1 with the extra cut out between the paws. Nothin wrong with the double strike stamp, it happened now and then. Catch indeed replaced, a rather typical crude wartime repair, I like them like this.

Looks like someone scratched the back to see if it was really silver in there but he stumbled over some tombac

**Junker1939** · 07-10-2017, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Giel VW View Post

Nice original J1 with the extra cut out between the paws. Nothin wrong with the double strike stamp, it happened now and then. Catch indeed replaced, a rather typical crude wartime repair, I like them like this.

Looks like someone scratched the back to see if it was really silver in there but he stumbled over some tombac

Thank you for you wonderful opinion!As a matter of fact,we have discussed some questions about SS8 medal three years ago,at that time,I didn't know how to post photos here and had to send them to your email.
Thanks again,my old kind friend!

**Thomas Durante** · 07-10-2017, 07:01 AM

Hi Niuyanliu,

I can only agree, a fine original early Juncker J1 pilot badge in nicely worn condition. As the guys say, the double marking is pretty common to find on Juncker pieces, its just a symptom of the worker not holding the stamp tight enough when he struck the badge so the marking tool jumped and struck the badge twice (once nice and deep, the other one much lighter).

The catch is repaired, and there is no way to know when it was done. Could have been done during the war, but also just as easily it could have been done by a dealer or collector last year. No way to be sure unfortunately.

Tom

**Junker1939** · 07-10-2017, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Thomas Durante View Post

Hi Niuyanliu,

I can only agree, a fine original early Juncker J1 pilot badge in nicely worn condition. As the guys say, the double marking is pretty common to find on Juncker pieces, its just a symptom of the worker not holding the stamp tight enough when he struck the badge so the marking tool jumped and struck the badge twice (once nice and deep, the other one much lighter).

The catch is repaired, and there is no way to know when it was done. Could have been done during the war, but also just as easily it could have been done by a dealer or collector last year. No way to be sure unfortunately.

Tom

Thank you for your opinion.I have a doubt:does the repair technology in moedern time damage the tires?The repair place looks old .

**Giel VW** · 07-10-2017, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Thomas Durante View Post

The catch is repaired, and there is no way to know when it was done. Could have been done during the war, but also just as easily it could have been done by a dealer or collector last year. No way to be sure unfortunately.

Tom

Probably it was a dealer!

**Thomas Durante** · 07-10-2017, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Giel VW View Post

Probably it was a dealer!

Those savages will do anything to make a buck!!

Tom

**Junker1939** · 07-10-2017, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Thomas Durante View Post

Those savages will do anything to make a buck!!

Tom

Oh，well.

**Jean-Claude** · 07-10-2017, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Junker1939 View Post

Thanks a lot for your opinion.In Your opinion:First,it is original,there is no doubt.Second,the catch may be repaired.
My question is:the catch seems old,does that mean it was repaired at world war 2?And the eyes of the hawk seems different with j2 and j3.

Hi Juncker 1939,

Yes it is an original J1 Pilot and the catch has definitely been replaced as others have said but impossible to say for sure when it was done. But, there was definitely no attempt to "camouflage" the repair to make it look original (as some would do now to increase value) so it looks like a period repair to me.

The J1, J2 and J3 pilot eagles (and wreaths) are very different in a lot more ways than just the eyes but generally speaking you are right. In addition to being thinner, of a more delicate design the early "first pattern" pilot badges (not only Juncker but Assmann and Deumer as well) had round so called "button eyes" while those of later pattern (eg J2, J3 etc) have eyes with pupils but this doesnt apply to the entire luftwaffe badge original set : ROAG continued to have "button eyes" in late versions and even early paras had pupilled eyes

JC

**Junker1939** · 07-11-2017, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Jean-Claude View Post

Hi Juncker 1939,

Yes it is an original J1 Pilot and the catch has definitely been replaced as others have said but impossible to say for sure when it was done. But, there was definitely no attempt to "camouflage" the repair to make it look original (as some would do now to increase value) so it looks like a period repair to me.

The J1, J2 and J3 pilot eagles (and wreaths) are very different in a lot more ways than just the eyes but generally speaking you are right. In addition to being thinner, of a more delicate design the early "first pattern" pilot badges (not only Juncker but Assmann and Deumer as well) had round so called "button eyes" while those of later pattern (eg J2, J3 etc) have eyes with pupils but this doesnt apply to the entire luftwaffe badge original set : ROAG continued to have "button eyes" in late versions and even early paras had pupilled eyes

JC

Thank you for your wonderful reply.Which increase my knowledge.As you say,the repair looks like period,maybe at wartime,but not very sure.

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