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    Flak ranks

    Does anybody help me that exist in flak artilerie ranks:
    Stabswachtmeister and Hauptwachtmeister ???
    It was different ranks or it was the same maybe ??
    The same question about Kanonier and Oberkanonier ?
    Exist in flak Oberkanonier or perhaps after Kanonier was Gefreiter ?

    #2
    Here is a internet site I thought describes flak rank best.
    http://www.wehrmacht-lexikon.de/luft...abzeichen.php#

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      #3
      Thank you but this page has in my opinion mistake.

      1. This not include ranks Fähnrich and Oberfähnrich.
      2. Rank Haupgefreiter liquidate 12.05.1944 (no info about this)
      3. The last rank is Generalfeldmarschal - Where is Reichsmarschall ??? !!!

      I am looking for any info about confirmation or denial info that Stabswachtmeister and Hauptwachtmeister it was the same rank.

      Hauptwachtmeister very often was the "Spieß" in baterie.

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        #4
        I believe that the rank of Fähnrich first introduced after ww2 and Hauptwachtmeister is the same rank as Oberwachtmeister.
        Stabswachtmeister are over and have three stars on his shoulder.
        the title of reichsmarschall is Hermann himself.

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          #5
          "Hauptfeldwebel" and also "Hauptwachtmeister" is not a RANK, it is a FUNCTION (=Dienstführender Unteroffizier, known as "Spieß"). This company-related function a soldier could have from the rank "Feldwebel / Wachtmeister" over "Oberfeldwebel / Oberwachtmeister" up to "Stabsfeldwebel / Stabswachtmeister". Same case in the Waffen-SS (Oberscharführer, Hauptscharführer, Stabsscharführer - as "Spieß" called " Sturmscharführer".

          Best regards, Peter

          p.s. "Reichsmarschall" must be seen more or less as a political rank created only for Hermann Göring.

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            #6
            If Hauptwachtmeister is a function that Stabswachtmeister is a rank. Now is clear.
            I agree that Stabswachtmeister has a three stars

            Rank Fähnrich was after Unterofficzier but before Unterwachtmeister
            Rank Oberfähnrich was after Wachtmeister but before Oberwachtmeister

            Fähnrich - clear chevron with two beams
            Oberfähnrich - chevron with two stars and two beams

            In my opinion ranks list in flak was like this:

            Kanonier
            Oberkanonier (If exist , because I am not sure)
            Gefreiter
            Obergefreiter
            Haupgefreiter (liquidate 12.05.1944)
            Stabsgefreiter
            Oberstabsgefreiter (not exist in flak artilerie)
            Unteroffizier
            Fähnrich
            Unterwachtmeister
            Wachtmeister
            Oberfahnrich
            Oberwachtmeister
            Stabswachtmeister
            Leutnant
            OberLeutnant
            Hauptmann
            Major
            Oberstleutnant
            Oberst
            Generalmajor
            Generalleutnant
            General der Flak Artillerie
            Generaloberst
            Generalfeldmarschal
            Reichsmarschall

            Ranks Oberfähnrich nd Fähnrich exist during war. I have memories few flakhelfers where are mentioned persons with this ranks.

            Regards
            Janusz

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              #7
              Thank you Peter for info
              I have doubts about candidate ranks as Fähnrich and Oberfähnich?
              see here
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fähnrich

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                #8
                "Fähnrich" and "Oberfähnrich" are only temporary ranks for officer-candidates. They are "in-betweens" - no longer really non commissioned and also not full officer ranks. Therefore they wore non-commissioned rank-tabs but were allowed to wear officers cokades and bullion eagles.

                Oberschütze, Oberpionier, Obergrenadier, Oberkanonier... all existed but were seldom used ranks in the war. Mostly soldiers were promoted to"Gefreiter" without given the rank of "Ober...." before.

                Best, Peter

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                  #9
                  I thought I had more check on it.
                  learn a little bit every day.
                  Thanks Janusz and Peter

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                    #10
                    Short info about Fähnrich from flakhelfer:

                    .......Fähnrich and Oberfähnrich were ranks (steps before becoming
                    officer). Maybe you should know that officers mostliy did not come from
                    common men unless in rare cases. The officers career started already
                    when you signed as volunteer for a officers career after you left the
                    gymnasium with about 17 or 18 years. Then you got the fundamental
                    militäry education as every man, but after some month you were sent to
                    special courses (or even to military academie). So most officers had a
                    school education with "Abitur", because they had attended gymnasium.

                    In the battery they got varius functions in order to gain experience,
                    for ihstance in Meßstaffel oder Geschützstaffel. They did not stay very
                    long in this function - just long enaugh to be familiar with the job.
                    Because as officers (for instance head of a battery) they should know al
                    lot about everything,

                    Alredy the Fähnrich was not a common soldier - he was allowed to visit
                    the officers mess or officer hotels. In this respect he was already
                    regarded as part of the officers community......


                    Please look also on this file:
                    http://srv3.sendfile.pl/pobierz/9221...1326980696.jpg

                    I am author this list.
                    Last edited by Fenix78; 10-04-2016, 03:01 PM.

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                      #11
                      Unteroffiziersanwärter

                      Fahnenjunker Gefreiter ?

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                        #12
                        As I understand it?
                        a young boy is selected to be Officer.
                        1st Period = Fahnenjunker Gefreiter = rank of Gefreiter. 2nd period = Fahnenjunker = rank of Unteroffizier. 3rd period = Fähnrich = rank of Unterwachtmeister. 4rd period = Oberfähnich = rank of Oberwachtmeister. ?

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