B&NL ROAG for sale on estand

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

What are your thoughts on this example?

Thanks

Tom

[90th Light]

I would rather have one like your one with the shiny wreath post number 10 on this thread;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=B%26NL

There is perhaps something funny about the dimensions of the eagle in relation to the wreath ? And what is the wreath made of ? (Post war "Lost wax" ?, casting muck metal ?, period nickle-silver ? or plated zinc ?)

Chris

[90th Light]

Then again,

there was the example with an Assmann wreath post number 10 on this thread;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=B%26NL

And the pin on the example which started this thread looks right but what are the hinge and hook made of ? How are they attached ? Is the hook soldered into a recess in the wreath ?

???

Chris

[Sebastien T]

Its a werid combinaison, Early ROAG tombak wreath and zinc late war eagle, Its believable as it could be a transitional piece but what I find odd its the Zinc hinge on tombak wreath. Few details differ and a little soft as well, the MM is quite different, Rivets are not zinc BNL textbook..... Overall I think its a very good fake.

Seb

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Thanks for the opinions. Seb, I see it exactly as you do and think its a well made fake as well.

Rivets were the first thing that caught my eye. Then the weird base metal of the wreath in combination with zink-based hardware. I am confident that if we had good closeups of the hardware we would see it was close-but not correct. Maker mark is also not like originals. And then just the general appearance of the badge, especially from the reverse doesn't look natural.

For me a decently-made fake.

Tom

[AFF96]

Agree with Tom & Seb and as is often said, I wouldn't want it in my collection.

[David Riley]

Badge to be withdrawn

Hello Gentlemen,

I will withdraw the badge immediately. The only reason I did not even question the now dubious originality, is because it was sold from the WAF (US) to another WAF member here in Australia and then on to a large militaria business (now defunct) here in Australia, where I bought it! Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if (and hopefully it does not) this occurs. I am in the process of selling off most of my 13 years of collecting and obviously this does not look good and reflects poorly on myself. I have a couple of other badges and assorted items purchased over the years that I am concerned about, that you will see on threads soon. My sincere apologies for not putting the item on a thread. I guess that saying about "Assumption is the mother of all .........." is apt here.

Best to all,

David R

[David Riley]

More images of the suspect badge...

Images

Yep,

Looks even worse under higher magnification. I don't think the wreath is tombac though, more like some weird cast zinc based alloy crap.

David R

[David Riley]

More images

Oh well, sigh

[David Riley]

If there was any doubt...

More horrrible images...

[Mike Swan]

Just out of interest, are there any clues where these badges originate? If they are duds, someone has gone to a lot of trouble, and probably expense, to produce a pretty good replica.

Mike

[fdodge]

From what I see in th photos, the wreath is neither zinc or tombak.
The bird looks pretty damn good though.....

[Ludwig]

Here is a good one:

[Ludwig]

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