More badges "made" by Juncker than we know?

[Frank Heukemes]

This IAB (note we are still talking about the very same IAB design shown consistently in this whole thread!) would be the parallel to the above shown crimped in PAB:

[Frank Heukemes]

obverse, always the same design:

[Don D.]

Frank, would they have made each die by hand or used the mother-daughter die technique? And why only for the private purchase dealers? Which ugly PAB set this in motion? (L/53?)

Or did Juncker politic there way into a monopoly?

Don

[Frank Heukemes]

Note that the official announcement states that ALL war badges of the Wehrmacht were (in theory) redesigned by Juncker in 1944 for uniform production. I can only think of this IAB style and this PAB style as badges which were indeed realized in that way before the war took a turn which made these plans obsolete (and Juncker was bombed). Does anybody have some other suggestions for other badges which might belong to that "series"?

[Mark S.]

Dear fellow collectors,

With the help of a good collector friend in Hamburg, I was able to find an article in the "Deutsche Uniformen Zeitschrift", which united the former "Schwert & Spaten" and "Der Uniformen-Markt" in one magazine later in the war. The issue dates back to 20th June, 1944. ....

The Präsidialkanzlei is asking these makers to refrain from acquiring new tools for the war badges of the Wehrmacht, until these sample badges are finished. At the given time, the companies owning a concession can order the dies from the company C.E. Juncker.

Great information Frank! I am wondering about something..

The Juncker factory was bombed out in December 1944, so we are looking at a five month period where it would be feasible for Juncker to supply other makers with dies.

Is this correct?

[Marc Garlasco]

Frank,
Are you basing the assessment by the reverse hinge set-up? If indeed all manufacturers continued to use their reverse reserves we may have a number of badges that do not fit the reverse paradigm...
Marc

[Mark S.]

Note that the official announcement states that ALL war badges of the Wehrmacht were (in theory) redesigned by Juncker in 1944 for uniform production. I can only think of this IAB style and this PAB style as badges which were indeed realized in that way before the war took a turn which made these plans obsolete (and Juncker was bombed). Does anybody have some other suggestions for other badges which might belong to that "series"?

I understand it to mean that only Juncker will supply new tooling for war badges, not replace all the ones in existence with new tooling, or redesign badges already in production.

Maybe this refers to tooling for "to be announced" badges, like balloon, air sea rescue, luft combat clasp, etc.

Just thinking out loud.

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Don,

You will be surprised to hear that in February 1944, L/53 or Hymmen & Co was listed among the only 24 makers which held a concession to create private purchase awards. This number of makers was subject to change, since some makers seemed to have lost their concession. But Mr. Hymmen was still among then that late! Probably good connections to the LDO!

Note the number 24! We have listed 33 makers which held a concession at one time during the war, but in February 1944, it was only 24 out of those 33.

[Marc Garlasco]

Frank,

"Note that the official announcement states that ALL war badges of the Wehrmacht were (in theory) redesigned by Juncker in 1944 for uniform production."

Why the IN THEORY? Is it just totally unrealistic that all badges were redesigned? Or perhaps it was just one aspect of all badges (ob, rev, whatever)and because of reserves there would be a period that everyone is playing catch-up?

Marc

[Frank Heukemes]

@Mark: The German text is to be understood in this way:

Some companies (who did not produce certain war badges before) applied with their designs to manufacture war badges (nowhere it does state new war badges or future ones). Some of these designs/dies did so much differ in quality and design from the guidelines of the supreme command of the Wehrmacht, that it was decided that Juncker was to create the tools for these companies.
Certainly (good) designs/dies from other companies were not trashed in 1944, but were kept in production. It is just interesting to find out WHICH are the ones provided by Juncker and I think that IAB and PAB are candidates which make perfect sense.

[Marc Garlasco]

Frank,

That clarification goes to the heart of the issue! Many thanks. This is going to be a LOOOOOOOOOONG thread...
Marc

[Frank Heukemes]

Something even more drastic happened to the miniatures (I will have to find that article as well). Steinhauer & Lück became the only company allowed to create the dies for these. Additionally, 16mm miniatures were strictly FORBIDDEN for production and only 9mm miniatures were kept in place.

Old companies, like Meybauer, lost the concession to manufacture ANY miniatures.

[Marc Garlasco]

There goes the price of 16mm...

[Marc Garlasco]

Frank,

GO TO BED!

[Frank Heukemes]

Here is the list of companies which held concessions for production for the private purchase market in February 1944. Some strange names in there: