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    #1

    NS FLL Flak badge

    Hello everyone,
    can you please help me with this flak badge, do you think the pin was replaced? to me it looks original and not repaired but who knows.
    thanks in advance,
    Jordan
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      #3
      Definitely a replaced pin.

      Regards,
      Frank

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        #4
        Frank is correct and very good looking...

        Regards,
        Chris G.

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          #5
          Nice and rare NS flak but the pin is not original and replaced
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            #6
            Hi Jordan,

            Nice and rare Nickel Silver FLL badge, very hard to find.

            I will disagree with my colleagues, to me this is a fine original pin!

            Tom
            If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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              #7
              You're right Tom. I did not have this type in my files. (I do now).
              How many hardware variant types are there known for these NS FLL's?
              Three?

              Frank

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                #8
                Hi guys,

                Frank, I only know of 3 hinge variations for these early FLL nickel silver flaks:

                1. Lazy Block Hinge
                2. Upright Block Hinge
                3. Tube Hinge

                Both 1 & 2 use the typical FLL block hinge, and there are several characteristics to look for on these:

                1. Thin-walled central barrel in the middle of the block, in which the pin was soldered to.
                2. Gold colored solder
                3. Nickel silver pin
                4. large sweeping bend to the pin (not tight like most other makers).

                All these features can be seen on Jordan's badge and that is why I think it is not a replacement. Also, the hingepin does not look messed with at all, another sign that it has always been in place IMO. Here are a few others FLL badges with decent shots of the hinge and pin.

                Tom
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                If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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                  #9
                  Tom quick question,

                  The two examples you show have the same pin but the hook is bigger on the flak. I would think it should be the same. I know from badge to badge theres some very minor differences this one look very exagerate to me. The point have been also notice on another forum.

                  What you think?
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                    #10
                    Hi Seb,

                    Since the bend is sweeping, it suggest that FLL possibly bent these individually by hand rather than using a machine or jig. They vary too much to be bent mechanically in my opinion, so when you add the human factor into it there will be slight differences in the bend itself.

                    To me, the bend of the pin doesn't matter as much as:

                    1. The correct color of gold solder
                    2. The correct thin-walled central barrel in the hinge
                    3. The correct pin material being nickel silver
                    4. The hingepin looking completely intact and unmessed with

                    If the pin was replaced or resoldered, I think one or more of these items above would show, wouldn't you agree?

                    Also note the tool mark on the side of the hinge, it makes an indentation in the hingepin, so this is more evidence that the hingepin was never removed and has always been like this. If it had been removed, you would expect these marks to not be lined up IMO.

                    Tom
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                    If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

                    New Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
                    [/SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
                    Available Now - tmdurante@gmail.com

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                      #11
                      Thanks a ton Tom thats all make sens now something new everyday....

                      Thanks again
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                        #12
                        Wow Tom...thanks for the explaination. Who needs to buy books when we have you.

                        Chris

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                          #13
                          As for the tube , or what I call a barrel hinge, do we see these in different widths (the hinge itself)? I have one that is quite wide, like a Juncker, but seem to recall seeing some a bit narrower like possibly the one you show.

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                            #14
                            Thanks everyone for your help,
                            Tom your explanation and detailed pics really helped thanks for your time and effort.
                            Hopefully I can buy this flak and if I do I'll post a couple of pics with its brothers,
                            Jordan

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