A Very Nice Deumer Pilot Badge

[Tim O.]

I keep looking at these images and I now see the differences between the 'true' Deumer and the 'Juncker' eagle. I may be seeing things but I wonder if there are subtle differences between the D2 eagle and J2 eagle. For example, the talons on the feet look slightly different: longer on the J2; shorter on the D2.

Can we get some side by side D2 & J2 shots from others to compare?

Thanks all.

[Silver]

Hi Tim,

is it possible to show your comparative pieces from your thread Nr. 15 and 16 in a full picture?

Is it possible that these are both pieces with Juncker parts!?

Because the talons both look to me like junker pieces!

Here a another picture for compare!

"Left a Deumer with Deumer pieces and rigth a Deumer with Juncker pieces"

Thanks
KR Thomas

[Tim O.]

Hi Tim,

is it possible to show your comparative pieces from your thread Nr. 15 and 16 in a full picture?

Is it possible that these are both pieces with Juncker parts!?

Because the talons both look to me like junker pieces!

Here a another picture for compare!

Left a Deumer piece right a Juncker piece!

Thanks
KR Thomas

Hi Thomas

Those are stunningly beautiful badges!

I do not question that the Deumer parts that are shown elsewhere on this thread are different to those on my badge. I am asking if what we are calling 'J2' parts used by Deumer are exactly the same as J2 parts used by Juncker. I think there are details around the face of the eagle, talons and a few other areas of the feathers that look slightly different but it may be my imagination. On the comparisons I posted earlier in this thread the beak looks bigger and the talons look shorter on the Deumer than on the Juncker. This also appears to be the case in hand but I only have one Deumer to compare and it might be due to damage or finishing. That is why it would be great to compare Deumer 'J2'-types and Juncker J2s.

In short, is there a third Deumer eagle that looks very like a Juncker J2 but is not the same?

Thanks

[Silver]

Hi Thomas

Those are stunningly beautiful badges!

I do not question that the Deumer parts that are shown elsewhere on this thread are different to those on my badge. I am asking if what we are calling 'J2' parts used by Deumer are exactly the same as J2 parts used by Juncker. I think there are details around the face of the eagle, talons and a few other areas of the feathers that look slightly different but it may be my imagination. On the comparisons I posted earlier in this thread the beak looks bigger and the talons look shorter on the Deumer than on the Juncker. This also appears to be the case in hand but I only have one Deumer to compare and it might be due to damage or finishing. That is why it would be great to compare Deumer 'J2'-types and Juncker J2s.

In short, is there a third Deumer eagle that looks very like a Juncker J2 but is not the same?

Thanks

Hi Tim,

ahh ok now I understand!

I think it is not a significant difference between the Juncker J2 and J2 of Deumer!

The J2 at Deumer have the cut-out between the legs ( but there are also Juncker J2 with cut-outs on the market).

So sometimes it looks at photos a little differently, but I think this is due to the angle of the photo or the different elaboration of each craftsman in the production from time to time!

And maybe this is good......so otherwise it would be too complicated in the collectors community..........

best regards
Thomas

[JackHun]

By the way Tim,

Fantastic collection and a nice photo of it!

Great thread with superb informations.

Jack

I have dreamt about owning a decent Deumer pilot badge for years and finally I have found it. I have checked as many references as I can and admit to still being unclear about the differences between Deumer parts and Juncker parts - regardless I think this is a beauty and now leads my favourite Luftwaffe badge list. I hope you like it too. A few photos follow.

[e-maus]

I keep looking at these images and I now see the differences between the 'true' Deumer and the 'Juncker' eagle. I may be seeing things but I wonder if there are subtle differences between the D2 eagle and J2 eagle. For example, the talons on the feet look slightly different: longer on the J2; shorter on the D2.

Can we get some side by side D2 & J2 shots from others to compare?

Thanks all.

Hello Tim
I've got this knowledge from another collector.
I think that is not mind if I share it with you.
BR.
Jacek

[Tim O.]

Hello Tim
I've got this knowledge from another collector.
I think that is not mind if I share it with you.
BR.
Jacek

Thanks Jacek but what I am wondering is if the Deumer 'J2' is different to the Juncker J2. I can see the D2 is different.

Thanks

[e-maus]

Tim , my English is poor , I do not know how well we understand each other.
The picture shows the space that differ J2 and D2
Jacek

[Tim O.]

Hi Jacek

With the help of everyone here it is clear the D2 and J2 are different. What I want to examine is whether the eagle used by Deumer and called a 'J2' by the collecting community really is a J2. I think there could be some small differences between a Deumer stamped 'J2' and a Juncker produced true J2.

It would be good to see more Deumer 'J2' eagles with close-ups of the head and talons.

Sorry but it is a complicated question!

[rfleming32]

Are these Junckers parts or Deumer?

[Thomas Durante]

Rich, yours are both J2s IMO.

Tom

[rfleming32]

Thats what I thought as well

[Tim O.]

Nice badges Rich. Are you able to see if the Deumer 'J2' has a bigger gap between the upper and lower parts of its beak and shorter talons than a Juncker J2? I may be chasing shadows!