Pilots, Observer, Radio and Paratrooper Badges for inspection.

[MusRep990]

Hey Y'all,

Bought this lot the other day for only $500! Hopping that at least one or two are real, not to familier with the Luftwaffe badges so wanted to get them check out before I went and put them on eStand.

Thanks Guys!
Kyle

[Darrell]

Everything looks good except the Deumer ROAG.

NOTE* Observer looks like the edge of the wing took a hit at sometime.

[Sebastien T]

I agreed with darell

[Darrell]

Just saw what you paid !! $500 ... !!!

You did VERY well .... heck that would be 1/2 of just the Para Badge.

[MusRep990]

That's exactly what I thought just wanted to make sure! Thanks everyone!

Everything looks good except the Deumer ROAG.

NOTE* Observer looks like the edge of the wing took a hit at sometime.

[Thomas Durante]

Yes, a hell of a deal here for 500 bucks.

I agree with the others that all looks good, but the Deumer ROAG looks a little weird in the hinge area. Some closeups would help us, and judging from the rest of the badges, my feeling is that its a messed-with original.

The JMME para looks like the hinge might be resoldered. But a nice original, and pretty uncommon with the Juncker wreath.

Tom

[MusRep990]

Anyone know a good price range? Books and the Internet have very different prices lol

[Tim Calvert]

Im not diggin that BSW pilot at all.

Is it too many IPAs tonight?

Or maybe you guys just need to have a few drinks with me!

[mmiller]

Mr. Tim,

It probably is too many IPAs, but that's a different story!

The BSW seems a bit off to me also, but I'm generally wrong these days, so just kept my mouth shut.


M&M

Im not diggin that BSW pilot at all.

Is it too many IPAs tonight?

Or maybe you guys just need to have a few drinks with me!

[Darrell]

I think there could be a few better pictures taken. Especially that one and the ROAG.

The wreath on the BSW looks a little too silver and the eagle a little too black, but lighting has known to show things quite different than they actually are.

[Rich G]

The BSW gets the thumbs down from me. The wreath is all wrong.

[Max_Porter]

The BSW gets the thumbs down from me. The wreath is all wrong.

.. I second this: 100 % fake, no doubt for me.

Best Regards

Max_Porter

[mmiller]

To me, the hinge tube has the (ever-so-slightly) wrong dimensions, and I would have expected slightly flattened heads on the rivets. Would love to see a close-up of the makermark.

MM

[Tim B.]

Honestly guys, I'm having a hard time with a couple of these badges.

As noted, the BSW pilot raises concerns.

- The eagle is too black looking. These have an almost blue tint to them.
- The wreath is wrong. Close, but not correct for a buntmetal badge.
- The rivets are not quite right either IMO.

Overall, the details are close and I think someone may be getting a lot better in his wares.


The Jmme & Sohn Para also raises concerns and I believe is probably a cast fake of an original.

- As noted, the hinge has been replaced and the badge appears to have been damaged to the whole top section. The hinge is obviously not correct.

- The rivets should not be brass here. They should be pinched and silver.

- The details are soft enough for me to think a cast or someone took a buffing wheel to the badge.

- Tom called out the Juncker style wreath but, look closely at the "infinity" shaped die flaw and it's not really there. So, either it's a cast that didn't capture the whole flaw or it got buffed out.


I'll add a couple of mine for comparison but, I personally would not want either of these two.


The Deumer ROAG ????


Just too many concerns on these, that it would make me take a very close look at all of these in hand with a good loop.

Tim

[Tim B.]

Thought I would check back in on this one and see the conversation stopped.

I'll add a comparison closeup that shows what would make me take a closer look at the Para. It could be totally fine, just a case with worn down details, and of course those repairs that would degrade the value considerably IMO.

The arrows point to a few specks of material that could be indicative of a cast or could just be results of a dirty die. Having the badge in hand is always better than any PIC, especially if you lose details on enlargements.

Enlarging the image makes the die flaw almost looks like it has cast-fill in it however. Just my opinion and I may be wrong.

Considering that a couple of these badges appear to have had a hard life and been excessively cleaned at some point, I would say it's entirely possible. I do find it somewhat interesting that, with such excessive cleaning on the Juncker Observer, that verdigris still remains.

Tim