pilot badge opinion please

[junkers88a1]

can you guys tell me anything about this ?

[Alex Bolotnikov]

Looks like a VERY rare J1 with CEJ mark. But the rivets aren't of a kind I would like to see on Juncker badges...

[ChrisH]

yep, a very rare, early J1 / CEJ ........ i see nothing wrong at rivets and badge

[frankscholz]

early authentic worn pilot badge , rivets OK

[Wijtman01]

totaly agree, rare find, nice conditon

[AndyC]

Hi

No problem with this badge

Here is my early J1 not marked CEJ but still early


Andy

[Thomas Durante]

Hi,

I agree 100% with Alex's comments, the badge looks perfectly original but the rivets aren't exactly textbook Juncker. Doesn't look like they are messed with at all, so it would appear that they were made by Juncker, just not "textbook" Juncker rivets in my opinion.

A very nice and rare badge.

Tom

[ChrisH]

here a CEJ rivet from Detlev's book ...... Niemann3
for me exactly same

[junkers88a1]

thank you for wonderful information. i dont know that much about these badges so i just wanted to know what type it was ( with the stamping and all that )
This badge was given to me personally by Arthur Von Casimir. Commander of KGr 100
during 1940. he gave this to me at the age of 96 after we had salvaged his He 111 at lake jonnsvannet in 2004. so i know that its 1000% original..but i dident know about markings and all that. and as i udnerstod he got this badge in 1936
so this is a Junckers made badge then
here is some pics of casimir ( inside the He 111 at gardermoen museum ) me-casimir and my brother, and also how i store the badge with his pictures ( signed when he is climbing out the cockpit after his he 111 got stuck in the ice )



thanks again for wonderful info

for more info regarding salvage of his He 111 you can look at my website
http://www.ju88.net/

[frankscholz]

this is a fantastic badge with a great history

many thanks that you show it

1936 is the right year for this badge

i think it is one of the first juncker PB produce series and few month later we found this CEJ badges with the typical riveting


hold this badge and this history in your heart for a long time

regards

frank

[AndyC]

Its a keeper for sure


Andy

[junkers88a1]

Its a keeper for sure


Andy

i will keep this and treasure it..it really means a lot to me and its nice to learn a few new things about it. in 1936 casimir had already been in the "luftwaffe" for a few years so it makes sense that he got one of the early badges..he keept this on his desk until 2004 as he was very proud of that badge ( all pilots are proud of their wings so that is understandebly ) and when he gave it to me i was speechless. it has the main spot on the wall in my livingroom

and happy to share it with you guys and again thanks for info.. really a valuble site this is

[Rich G]

Wow that must be one of the earliest Juncker pilot badges around. Really interesting to see the rivet configuration. I too was a bit stumped when I saw them but clearly original.

Beautiful wear and toning. One of the nicest I've ever seen.

Rich

[Thomas Durante]

Very cool, great history on such an early piece. Collectors have often thought that these CEJ-marked badges were the earliest Juncker pieces produced and stories like this only help add to the confirmation of this contention. If he indeed got the badge in 1936, he among the first few hundred pilots awarded the badge. Very nice.

Tom

[solo]

Fantastic badge !
Great history
And very interesting about NON "Textbook " item not conforming to the knowledge of the" book"
Carlo