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**Thomas Durante** · 08-28-2009, 08:55 AM

Hi Colin,

Actually, you can find them both ways. Here is one with the flattened rivets like on your Observer.

Rivets on these late war Assmann zinkers can be found both flattened and rounded, but they are very commonly found rounded on the ones with die cast wreaths (both marked and not marked L64).

Tom

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**colin davie** · 08-28-2009, 02:20 PM

Personally I prefer the flat rivets on these badges, interesting badge you show there, with the extra hole next to the left hand rivet, I had one the same, only a "1" not "2".
Cheers
C
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**Thomas Durante** · 08-28-2009, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by colin davie View Post

Personally I prefer the flat rivets on these badges,
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Hi Colin,

Simply different type of riveting for the different times during the war. Just like we see the spun "nipple" rivets on the earlier, tombak badges. Both flat and rounded are perfectly acceptable in my opinion, and the rounded ones are more common on these cast pieces. The flat rivets are only common on the mid-war die struck zink wreaths, right after Assmann switched from using brass & nickel silver for the wreath, but before they started casting these with integral hinge and catch.

Tom

**colin davie** · 08-28-2009, 08:01 PM

So how would you recognize a Carsten Staegemeir copy?

I believe he got the rivets (round) and the pin wrong at the hinge, that second point being the biggest give away, talked about on WAF and so he fixed it to the correct pin arrangment. I don't watch his site anymore, nor for nearly 2 years, so you will know better about what he has put out and I'll leave it there... for me and it's just my opinion on how I would spend my money, flat rivets or no thanks.
Colin

**Thomas Durante** · 08-29-2009, 07:37 AM

Hi Colin,

You cannot just make a straight line judgement like that, because Staegemeir uses flat rivets too. Here is one of his fakes using the flat rivets.

And it is incorrect to say that "all round rivet Assmann badges" are fakes, because the vast majority of these late war die cast originals had round rivets. The exception to the rule is the flat rivets, but both were used. But flat rivets to a much lesser extent then the round ones, so you are dismissing the vast majority of original die cast Assmanns based solely on the rivets, which is not correct in my opinion.

I will agree with you that Staegemeirs fakes usually use rounded rivets, but they are still very different than the round ones we find on originals. You also have to look at the entire badge, not just the rivets, Staegemeir messes a bunch of details up if you know what to look for.

Tom

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**colin davie** · 08-29-2009, 08:33 PM

So he has produced flat rivet badges too now, I never said all round rivet L/64 were fakes or anything else is fake, I said they are not for me. Give me credit at least for putting my money where my mouth is.
Colin

edit to ask... did Staegemeir ever make the Observer? Anyone got a round rivet Observer?

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