Question on JMME Pilot Badge on estand

[wolfeknives]

The hinge on the pilots badge shown here http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=335299 is considerably longer and I think thinner than the usual JMME. I think it is different from the Juncker hinge as well?
Could it be a Juncker hinge/catch?
Wolfgang

[George L]

Wolfgang, what struck me about that badge is how unusually dark the eagle is for a 'JMME', and the catch. Most JMME's I've seen have a very faint finish, or none at all on the silvered eagle. The catch also doesn't resemble the typical round wire used on others.

[Tim Calvert]

Yeah, I'm not crazy about any bit of that badge from the reverse!!!

[wolfeknives]

I agree, the eagle is dark, maybe even a little darker than the junckers. The wreath and eagle do look like good J2 though? The rivets holding the eagle are a little larger, and sunk a little deeper than usual, has anyone seen this on original Junckers or JMME'?
Wolfgangs

[Alex K.]

If better images needed i can post them. Just tell me what you need

[spectre]

It looks like a Juncker made and finished eagle and wreath with a JMME mark, not that there's anything wrong with that.

The hinge is different being so long and thin, almost like a Meybauer but that would be even more odd.

The catch looks strange too, could you post an angled shot of the catch and hinge?

Alan

[Alex K.]

Sure, when the transfer of the attachments is finished and posting attachments is available again

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

It indeed looks to be a textbook J2 wreath and eagle, but the finishes are very different from originals IMO. The eagle is much more blue than original Junckers and very different than JMMEs. I also don't like the look of the silver finish on the reverse, I have seen those black spots on other badges that were sold by Staegemier and I am positive they were refinished originals.

The construction is not textbook JMME, but can be acceptable on a Juncker. The rivets look redone, another reason why I think it is refinished. I think the eagle was taken off the wreath and refinished, then reasembled. Look at the larger holes around the rivets, something you never see on original Junckers. Also, Juncker rivets usually look bronze from the riveting process, where it wore off the black eagle finish. Here, the finish is intact, very uncharacteristic for original Juncker construction.

I too would be interested in seeing a side shot of the catch, it doesn't look quite right and may be replaced as well.

Tom

[Alex K.]

Here are the shots of the catch

[Alex K.]

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[Alex K.]

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[Tim B.]

My 2 cents..

- The eagle and wreath do appear to be of Juncker (J2) style.
- The eagle is dark, but there have been examples of dark eagles on JMME marked badges before, though they are more commonly seen with silver eagles.
- The color is darker than most I have seen, possibly reblued???
- The reverse hardware is nothing like what I would expect on the JMME badges that utilized Juncker parts. Specifically:
--The hinge is usually shorter in length and in brass.
--The rivets are pinched and not like yours; redone??
--The catch is a bit longer on most, but maybe okay here. I think yours looks odd because it appears flattened on top.
--Would like to see the maker's mark close up and clear for comparison
--The spotting bothers me as well as I do not see any signs of repair in the area and if the badge had been refinished, then these spots would have been covered up IMO.

Now, is it a new Hero job, is the coloration we see due to the lighting used in the photos, ??? Bottom line, there are valid questions at this point.
Tim

[Tim B.]

Am I the only one getting these left and right today?



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[Alex K.]

Close Up of the maker mark

[Tim B.]

Hi Alex,

Not the clearest PIC, but compare to mine. Is that indentation to the right of the JMME there on your badge?
Tim

Also, note the reverse setup/hardware.