Deumer Pilot Badge

[hoggtannlars]

What is your opinion about this Badge?
Is it a original Deumer?

Pic 1

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Pic 2

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Pic 3

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pic 4

[Thomas Durante]

I like it, a nice original Deumer.

Tom

[Karsten S]

Original and a rare makerof Pilot badges.

Best Regards

Karsten

[Robert P.]

Beautiful badge! Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't this a J2 wreath? I understand Deumer used Juncker's components from time to time to meet production demands.

Edit: Also, could the pin have been replaced? The barrel the pin is attached to looks smaller in diameter than both other barrels. And, the pin is missing the flat run associated with Deumer badges.

[Tim B.]

Yes, I was looking at this one the other day as well.

Robert, IMO, you are correct in both observations. The wreath and eagle are Juncker J2 style and original Deumer pilot badges have been noted to use Juncker badges in addition to their own.

I also feel the pin has been replaced as it does not show that flat area towards the top of the pin; something that all Duemer pilot badges have regardless if the badge is of Deumer or Juncker design. Good catch!
Tim

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

Robert and Tim, great to see you both around here again! Especially Robert, after your loss, I am sorry my friend.

On the Deumer, are we SURE about the flattening of the pin? I didn't think it was ALWAYS found on Deumer pins, I have seen several that didn't have the flattening. I also like the bottom of the pin, how it is rounded, and I would feel very comfortable calling this the original pin.

Tom

[Tim Calvert]

Hi y'alls,

Yep, J2 parts. I agree with Tom that it's most likely the original pin. I have 3 and they all show a varying amount of flattening so it's not a permanant feature. Just a by product of the assembly process IMO.

Kris @ Oakleaf is a good guy. You should not have a problem with him.

[Tim B.]

Hi Tom/Tim!

Yes, I liked that rounded end on the pin as well. Take a good look at the hinge/pin area. Does the connection look like it might have been redone? The weld joint looks odd, but it might be the lighting or the PIC?

Yes, Kristian has nice stuff from time to time; never seem to beat the competition on the stuff I want though.
Tim

[Tim Calvert]

Hi Tim,

You could be right, but it can be hard to tell from pics alone. Here's a shot of the hinge on my Deumer (Deumer parts).

By looking at the picture only you might say the same thing. Notice the central hinge part looks smaller also. You can certainly see the flattened part of the pin on this one.

Sometimes you just need to take a look under a loupe!

Cheers,
Tim

[Robert P.]

Yes, Tim, your central hinge section is slightly undersized as well. Hmmm. In post 2 it looks even smaller. I think the main reason I thought the pin could have been replaced was the absence of the flattened portion on the pin, then the undersized barrel section jumped out at me. If others have seen original Deumer flight badges without the flattened area on the pin, then why not this one as well? The smaller barrel section in post 2 still stumps me. But, all things are possible if we pull away from textbook just a little.

[Tim Calvert]

Robert, your observations are correct, just hard to tell without a close up inspection.

This dealer is one of the good guys and I'm sure he would be fine with a refund if the buyer is not happy. That's a nice thing to know when it comes to purchasing something off the internet!

Cheers

[Tim B.]

Tim,

Perhaps you're right, and the loop will tell all once he has it in hand. Considering how hard it is to find these, even with Juncker parts, and the overall condition being what it is, it's worth the shot.
Tim