Pilot/Observer by OM

[Rich G]

Anyone seen an OM P/O badge before?

Check it out...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=36047


Opinions?

Rich

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Richard,

I have never heard of one let alone see one, but that doesn't mean that they did not exist. Thier are a few things that I do not like about this example, but even more so is the reference material used and the "All sales are Final" would be enough to shy away. None the less, a great reference, I am really curious as to what some of the others say.

Cordially yours,
JD

[ERIC S.]

Hi Rich,
I have not - the tail feathers and talons lack the detail I've seen on genuine OM Pilot Badges. Funny that in every pic the portion of the top of the wreath that would show the "notch" that is on every OM badge is cut out of the picture or blocked by the pin! HMMM......?
ERIC

[Rich G]

You know Eric, I was thinking the same thing...certainly one of the OM characteristics and it's missing from every shot, a side on of the hinge as well...hmmmm, very strange!

What's really odd is that the seller put is on for $4.99 and now it's $406 and the reserve still isn't met!!!JD, I agree, no come back on it at all, and they have been carefull enough to avoid the word 'original'.

Let's see what the final price is... I guess $501.99


Rich

[mgidhagen]

His reserve is exceeding $1,000... - Good luck...
Interesting though, as I own a questionable OM p/o which differs slightly from the ordinary OM pilot badges, although I have never seen any known copy/repro looking like it either. I have asked the seller for more info, to have as a reference.
/Mikael G

[Gary B]

OM PO Badge

Based on the picture, it does not appear that the swastica curves back through the wreath. At least on the OM Pilot badges I have seen and own, one of the most distinct characteristics to me is how the swastica comes back through the wreath. No other manufacturer really does that. I would assume that OM would have had the same die characterisitcs/die for the PO Badge.

Gary

[Rich G]

The wreath looks totally flat as well... not convexed. I don't own an OM but all the pics I've seen of genuine piece have the convex wreath. Would you agree?

[François SAEZ]

OK Rich and all,

If you agree, and I can be wrong but how many ORIGINAL P/O badges have you seen by OM, BN&L, BSW ........? the answer is probably (probably to give a chance) 0.
Why? Probably because those firms didn't make PO

BUT, probably, because fakers can not get you with fake pilot badges were you have knowledge ......, they take you to fields where you have no reference - which means, for me, that things who can not be accepted for a pilot badge, could be accepted for variations as PO.
Not sure I am clear, but you have the main idea of what I think. If fakers can not get you with what you know, they make something new for you not to have reference to compare.

I repeat, I can be wrong, so don't hesitate to correct me

[Gary B]

Dear Francois,

I understand what you are saying and agree with it in principle. I tend to stay away from "unique" itmes for that reason....pieces that are too controversial. As an aside, I have seen 1 OM P/O badge that looked like the Pilots badge with the swept back swastica etc. It was for sale from a respected dealer about 2 years ago. I missed purchasing it and have always regretted it.

Gary

[mmiller]

I agree with all that has been said here. What is really disappointing to me, as a real lover of the Doppel Abz, is that this award seems to be the latest target of the thieves. And at a 'going rate' of nearly double the Pilot's Badge......it's a lucrative endeavour for these bas-turds,

That being said, I will show my BSW (you are right Francois, haven't seen many of these) P/O badge. It came in an authentic etui from a 30+ year prominant Luft collector. Agreed..that don't mean diddly.....but have a look at the badge.

Granted, the wreath is not fire gilt, however. the obverse details looks corect to me. The rear hardware looks proper for a BSW. Am I missing signs of a 'converted' piece? Feel free to smack me around a bit (Lord knows, my girlfriend does!)

Regards,
Mark

PS - I'm not real keen on the OM P/O.

BSW P/O Obverse


BSW P/O Reverse