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    #61
    As a matter of curiosity, do we know how your friend was made to trust this seller? We'd love to hear more details - I am a firm believer in exposing these problems when they come up.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb
      Frenzel won a Knights Cross as a Feldwebel as a member of 11./Kampf-Geschwader z.b. V. 1. Fritzel got his Knights Cross for an extraordinary mission. Wearing British uniforms, he and his crew flew in a captured British bomber to England on a bombing mission to attack british industrial complexes. He actually refueled at a British base without anyone knowing who he was. Amazing story!
      Hi,

      Do you have any more information regarding the mission? I would be very interested to hear more

      Best Regards,
      Robert.

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        #63
        I wish I did - I'm actually looking for more info on it as we speak.

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          #64
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          Last edited by Matt Starr; 03-28-2008, 11:40 AM.

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            #65
            Originally posted by fknorr
            For all you goblet lovers out there be on the look-out/beware of someone in Europe peddling a Goblet for a "Werner Hoffmann" (I believe I am correct). This person somehow fell off the face of the earth after receiving payment from an acquaintance of mine...no Goblet, no way to recover money.
            If this honor goblet was supposed to be Werner Hoffmann's one (the famous nightfighter ace) the "swiss guy" couldn't send it to your friend as Werner Hoffmann is still alive and if I do no mistake he still owns his goblet and doesn't plan to sell it.

            The honor goblet is an highly desirable award but as many forum members have already warned you need to be very careful when you plan to buy one and especially when it is supposed to have been awarded to a knight's cross holder. A couple of weeks ago a friend of mine in the States proudly showed me a nice honor goblet of course awarded to a knight's cross holder. The only problem was that this knight's cross holder is still alive and still has all his awards (I know him and saw them). Considering the price my friend had paid I couldn't tell him the truth.
            100% original goblet but certainly awarded to an unknown gefreiter but upgraded by a nice dealer

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              #66
              Goblet

              Since these were all hand engraved, I've always been leery of buying one to a very famous recipient (i.e. highly decorated). I'd feel more comfortable having some no name guy...unless the provenance was air tight.

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                #67
                Actually there is a second luftwaffe ace named Werner Hoffmann also a knights cross winner who was a stuka and ground attack pilot ..He did not survive the war as the other more famous one did...Billbert

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by billbert
                  Actually there is a second luftwaffe ace named Werner Hoffmann also a knights cross winner who was a stuka and ground attack pilot ..He did not survive the war as the other more famous one did...Billbert
                  You are correct and this is the recipient's Goblet in which my friend believed he was getting.

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