Show your Goblets

[Albert]

..."after"...:

[François SAEZ]

What would interesting to know are the criterias which make one to have an Honor Goblet in his collection

I would also like to know what elements make a goblet more desirable than an other one

[fknorr]

What would interesting to know are the criterias which make one to have an Honor Goblet in his collection

I would also like to know what elements make a hoblet more desirable than an other one

I think the answer to both questions are the same...a personal choice.
Some may like a fighter pilot, others BoB participants, others may choose high award winners. Others it may just be a whim or a price thing as to what they choose but I am certain it is different for each individual.

I would like to get one in the future but as of this minute I have other interests/obligations. For me, I do not think it would really matter who it was, I just like the Goblets themselves.

[Darrell]

Hi guys .... nice sets

Surprised this one hasnt sold yet

http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=GRL270

[Michael Everett]

HI,

I see that you are the current owner of Rudi Pflanz's goblet. A friend of mine who is now deceased pulled that out of the woods in the early 1990s. It came out of a garage in North Dakota, the vet was deceased and he had it filled with nuts and bolts. A neighbor acquired it and brought it to a gun show in Fargo where my deceased friend purchased it, sold it to me and I later sold it to another collector who is also deceased. I have always wondered where it went from there and now I know. Killer goblet and patina.

KUrt Barickman

Kurt,

Thank you. That was the exact story articulated to me by the collector/ dealer I purchased it from in Circa 1996 at the SOS. I believe his name was Walter Hombach. A very nice and honest gentlemen.

MIKE

[VtwinVince]

I've posted before about my personal quest, but here goes again. Still looking for the goblet awarded to my uncle, Hauptmann Dr. Albrecht Ochs, in October 1940 for victories over the Channel. Missing since 1945. BTW those are some really nice pieces in this thread.

[George Stimson]

"What would interesting to know are the criterias which make one to have an Honor Goblet in his collection"

I already had Sauermann's EK 1, but I didn't pay much attention to the attribution. Some time later I was looking at the DK, and when I realized that it was also Sauermann's I decided to get it and all of his other decorations -- including the Goblet -- in order to keep his group together.

[George L]

Values

Another distinction is the pursuit of a the 835 silver vs the Alpaka. Would you be more interested in pursuing an 835 silver goblet to an unknown recipient, or an Alpaka to a DkiG/RKT winner???

[François SAEZ]

I think the answer to both questions are the same...

I don't think they are the same

One can be an esthetical choice, a price opportunity, the will to complete a group ............ while the other one is more silver Vs Alpaka, fighter Vs reco, Officer recipient Vs NCO ...................

[Kurt Barickman]

Walter Hombach

Mike,

Yes, I sold it to Wally, he was killed in an motorcycle accident later in 1996. Did Wally tell you he met Planz here in Minnesota on speaking engagements with several other WWII aces?

Kurt Barickman

[Rich G]

I don't think they are the same

One can be an esthetical choice, a price opportunity, the will to complete a group ............ while the other one is more silver Vs Alpaka, fighter Vs reco, Officer recipient Vs NCO ...................

As I started this thread, I'll give my view...

I always wanted an Ehrenpokal but until now could not financially afford it. I only had 2 requirements:

1) must be 835 Silver
2) Must be undamaged

Didn't matter as to the recipients rank, successes or function. Of course, an RK or DKiG winner would have been fantastic or a fighter pilot with a huge amount of confirmed kills, likewise but ultimately that didn't matter.

My own example was bought as a complete 'unknown' no history provided whatsoever so the fun was the research.

As far as research goes, I have been extremely lucky. I now know the unit, the aircraft type and markings and the fate of the recipient. Not only that but I have a photo of Stadel, albeit in a book, and a picture of his grave at Cannock Chase. Even some pics of the crew he flew with at the time he was KIA. I have extended information about the spitfire pilot that shotdown Stadel's HE-111, including that he himself was shot down and wounded by M******246;lders and later also KIA.

The most import thing is that the history of this Ehrenpokal has come alive.

Rich

[Michael Everett]

Mike,

Yes, I sold it to Wally, he was killed in an motorcycle accident later in 1996. Did Wally tell you he met Planz here in Minnesota on speaking engagements with several other WWII aces?

Kurt Barickman

Kurt,

Thank you. LT Pflanz was shot down and killed in 1942.

MIKE

[Texasuberalles]

Information

What is the best way to develop information regarding an individual who was awarded a goblet?

[Skipper Greenwade]

Another distinction is the pursuit of a the 835 silver vs the Alpaka. Would you be more interested in pursuing an 835 silver goblet to an unknown recipient, or an Alpaka to a DkiG/RKT winner???

Good thing I re-read the title of this thread...at first glance, I thought it said "show your giblets" and turned away very quickly! ! !


George,

That is exactly the decision I was struggling with on the way to the MAX Show about 4 or 5 years ago. Fortunately, I didn't have to 'settle' for one or the other.

I was able to purchase the .935 silver goblet awarded to RKT Herbert Kutscha along with the award documents for his Pilot's badge, EK-II and EK-I, several photos of him, (including the very studio portrait Kutscha sent in for publication in Obermaier's book - you can see where they marked it to crop it for the book!) and a host of documents concerning his post-war activities from Kai Winkler. I have since located a case for the goblet and two autographed photos of Kutscha to add to the grouping.

Kutscha flew a total of 900 missions and scored 47 aerial victories, most of them in the East.

Needless to say, the goblet is one of the cornerstones of my collection!

The kicker is that I almost let it get away because Kai and I were $500.00 apart

Best,
Skip

[Larry Lipps]

Yeah, you should have seen the crap running down both legs when Skip thought Kai was consigning the whole group to Manions Auction. Suddenly that $500 wasn't near as big a deal as it was five minutes earlier.