Your Opinions Sought on this Glider Badge

[Stijn David]

glider badge - Assmann

Hi Tom,

" If there are 2, there is possibility to be more. Assmann was a prevelant maker of Luft badges and would have been among the first companies selected to make this badge. "

I agree that this possibility does exist, but then i would be happy to see this one prooven in :

* period photographs
* Other original LW badges with a exact match for the maker mark can also be plus in evaluating
* 100 % untouched legacy (the possibility does exist offcoarse and whil come most likely togheter with the photographic evidence )

However pure based on the theoretical chance of its exitstance i am not convinced at this point but i am always pleased to expand the knowledge.

Cordial greetings,

[Rich G]

Interesting comments so far. To show where I am in this discussion, I believe it to be a fake. I particularily do not like the red marks which reminds me of contamination claused during the casting process and it's something I have never seen on any original, regardless of base metal.

I will post a few more pics but hopefully the owner of the badge will take over and answer your questions.

Rich

[Rich G]

wing detail

[Rich G]

Hinge 2

[Rich G]

catch

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Richard,

Check out this thread regarding the red marks. Is it similar to what Lorenzo describes on his Osand Luft Ground Combat badge?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=140249&page=2

Hope to catch up with the SOS again this year.

Tom D.

[Rich G]

Tom

I do not believe this is the same thing as on Lorenzo's badge.

BTW, no SOS for me this year.

Rich

[Tim Calvert]

I do hope this badge turns out to be a good one.

However, I have an American Air Crew badge with that small "A" on it.
That alone simply makes me nervous!
Might just be a trick of the mind.

[Marc Garlasco]

Why Tim? Assmann made US badges. It is kinda cool when you find an "A" marked US badge when you think of the historical irony.
Marc

[Mike Kenny]

...I particularily do not like the red marks which reminds me of contamination claused during the casting process and it's something I have never seen on any original, regardless of base metal.

As indicated above, I've seen heavy red patina on unquestionably original badges. Here it is on a CEJ Observer that has been previously imaged on the forum.

Regards
Mike

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Nothing wrong with red patina. I think its some kind of reaction with the copper in the tombak base metal. Of course it could probably be faked as well though.
I like the detail in the eagle, does******180;nt look like a casting to me, I see no pockmarking anywere. Can you see shear marks anywere on the eagle Rich?

Also Mike K. asked for a side shot of the hinge. Also one of my favorite points for authentification. Can you do us one to show the gauge of the material please.

I must admit, I still quiet like it but Rich has it in hand which is always better to make a judgement.

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[Rich G]

I like the detail in the eagle, does´nt look like a casting to me, I see no pockmarking anywere.

Am I the only one who sees the problems on the wing shot?

Also Mike K. asked for a side shot of the hinge. Also one of my favorite points for authentification. Can you do us one to show the gauge of the material please.

I don't have that pic. @ the Owner... can you post that?

I must admit, I still quiet like it but Rich has it in hand which is always better to make a judgement.

To be clear, I do not have it, only some large pics sent to me by the owner.

So, looks like amost all except myself and Stijn have accepted this as original?

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Don******180;t get me wrong Rich. I have******180;nt accepted this as original, far from it.
Still, its the first time I see one of these, and I have never seen a copy like it.

I think more investigation is needed until we judge this one way or another.

When you say "problem on the wing shot" do you mean this?
or just the general lack of detail?
Assmann is not known as a high detail manufacturer, just look at the wreaths on their thick wreath Pilots or Observers badges. No detail at all. Still the eagles are generally better in detail as this so you are correct there.

Really would like to see a side shot of the hinge please owner

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[Mike Kenny]

So, looks like amost all except myself and Stijn have accepted this as original?

Rich,

"I like what I see so far" does not equate to "It is original"!

Personally I am keeping an open mind but I still do not see anything that screams fake. If I was closed minded about it I would also have to put JFS Paras and RK Radio-Op badges into the same category - but I don't because I think those two types, although without provenance, appear very convincing based on attributes associated with other badges from those makers.

I'll ask another question though, if you think it may be a casting, what was it cast from? Not Juncker and not BSW for starters. Not the high end Juncker-like fakes either. How does it compare to the ball-hinge zincers, suspect Deumers, etc?

Regards
Mike

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Rich,

I'm not 100% convinced yet either, but very much like what I have seen so far. If I saw it for a good price, I would probably buy it......

Here's what I am talking about regarding the cuts on the wings. I think this is the most convincing aspect of the badge for me.

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