Juncker FJ?

[deejay]

And the last picture

[Mike Kenny]

Notice the differences in sizes and manufacturing, still both Juncker?

Hi Deejay,

How different in size? I have to say, having read that I am thinking the first example is a repro casting. It is certainly not a zincer as mentioned above imo - not using that hardware and the basemetal does not look like zinc.

The second one you posted looks textbook original. Very nice!

Regards
Mike

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The difference in size makes me uncomftable.

How big are the badges exactly?

Are you sure that the eagle and the wreath are two seperate parts?

Skip

[deejay]

Hi again,

thanks for replies again. Now I see that there are some doubts amoung you about the authenticy of badge 1 (for the ease I will call it 1) ... see what I mean?

Badge 1 came from a reputable dealer in Hamburg, sold as a Juncker Buntmetal for a reasonable price at that time.

Measurements of 1

Wreath:

• height 51.5 mm at the most
• width 41.0 mm

Eagle

• total length is 48.2 mm
• height 25.0 mm

Measurements of 2 (MM Juncker)

Wreath:

• 52.9 mm
• 42.5 mm

Eagle

• total length is 50.0 mm
• height is 26 mm

Badge 1 is not a zinc one as I stated earlier and it does look like a high quality cast buntmetal badge with all the correct features of a Juncker besides the catch and size.

The possibility of a cast Junckers FJ was once a big topic on this forum, now I would like you experts to shoot at this one because I am sure we are dealing with a unusual badge here (reproduction or not).

regards,

DJ

[skip]

Hi Deejay,

after seeing the side by side pics and the measurements I´m afraid I would revise my opinion and class it as a top cast copy.

You should return it IMO.

Skip

[deejay]

Hi all,

just to keep you informed (and warned), this is what has happend in the mean time.

I offered the (cast) parabadge back to the dealer where it came from for a trade with a TDB he was selling for € 580,00. He was eager and so I sent the badge. A few days later I called him and one of his employees told me he did not like the badge as it was a reproduction.... I said, well that's funny I bought it in your store as an authentic Juncker FJ...

He promissed to inform me how this would continue, let me wait two days and sent a e-mail asking me what price they should pay me. I responded and said he should just make the trade as planned because if this FJ badge was as he described (and seeing the price he sold it for a few years ago) he would have profit (don't you agree?)

No he will not trade it 1 on 1.

Do some of you have some advice on this? (my lawyer does...)

[Darrell]

Do some of you have some advice on this? (my lawyer does...)

That sux mate ... that guy sounds like a real dick

But ... getting your Lawyer involved would be similar to my wife ... driving across town spending $5 on gas to save $3 on a sale item

[luftwaffe303]

Well said Darrell ...

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Threaten the dealer with exposure on the Forum and if he still does******180;nt move expose him here.

I think the trouble you will have with court cases etc. probably is******180;nt worth the trouble and seeing you are in Europe you will also have the "Nazi stuff" hassel.

Skip

[deejay]

Hi again,

just to let you all know how this story ended:

I sent the badge back to the dealer with a trade proposal for another item not mentioning anything at first just to see what would happen. The dealer was kean to trade until he receieved the badge. I rang him and he said the badge was a reproduction. I said: "well that's very strange, I bought it from you as a real one about three years ago..." all went silent for a moment and he said he would get back to me.

A few days later he emailed me saying he would pay back the amount I payed for it.

I didn't like hearing that, as I missed out on some extra value but anyway I accepted and I did make the trade in the end but I had to pay him the difference of about 145 euro even though the badge should have been worth nearly double the amount if it where a real Juncker FJ.

I don't feel bad about it anymore, as again I (and I hope you all too) have learnt some more about :

1) High quality cast copies of LW badges exist
2) That even the big-game dealers do make mistakes
3) They are honest enough to admit it

many regards

DJ