But the fecit usually refers to the one who designed it, not the maker?
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Sure, but as with Bock being mentioned on Schwerin badges, Wilhelm COULD be the designer. But I could also see how somebody would use AUSGEF. for the maker. Not that far fetched.
But what disturbs me most is that we have never seen these and now, 4 seems to have popped up during recent months. A little worrying, can´t wait to handle one of those.Cheers, Frank
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Hi,
This is not a new type of badge. I inspected a couple a local dealer had 4 or 5 years ago. They both apparently came from different sources at different times - finish/condition on both badges was also different from memory but I don't recall hinge/pin/catch details. The local dealer I think indicated he'd had one for a while, maybe as far back as early 90s or late 80s. I've seen one or two from other sources, at least one on eBay and definitely one on file from Manions in (June 2001) - maybe 1/2 dozen all up including the one in this thread. I know they've been at least mentioned here in the past, possibly even imaged as well, so I'm surprised to hear some of the "first time I've seen them" comments.
From memory, they are one piece and the obverse detail is good but I personally don't trust them. They seemed "wierd" and not quite right - way too unknown for me to spend serious money on. The semi-hollow construction is very unusual, as is the maker. Unusual base-metal from what I recall as well - I didn't get the impression they were zinc. I personally require some solid German KM veteran provenance before I'd consider them anything other than "suspect".
Regards
Mike KRegards
Mike
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The hinge surely appears to be a period style hinge as well as the pin...the catch however is unusual in that if the first badge is zinc then it is interesting how the catch is soldered directly onto the back of the badge and not onto a backing plate. Otherwise the badge does have a good look but I am on the fence.Comment
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I seem to remember one of these in a collection in toronto about 1995. cant say with 100% certainty, but at about 80% it was the same.
Did not like it then, dont now.Comment
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Carsten Baldes has one on his update.
DonLast edited by Don Doering; 03-16-2005, 02:22 PM.pseudo-expertComment
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I can't believe no one has commented. I find it interesting that these are surfacing in a cluster like this. Doesn't anyone else?
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I think it is mighty strange!
In 60 years no one has seen one and now a bunch turn up. These badges would be immediately dismissed as fakes if they came from the usual fake merchants like Pieces of History and the like. I don't like the strange metal, and believe they are fakes.
jeffLooking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.Comment
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I am also not crazy about it. Interesting to note that the badge currently offered by Carsten is the SAME (as in "one and the same") badge that was listed by Kai.
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If such an unusual badge starts showing up on dealers sites all of a sudden I would leave it alone. I have missed on some good badges but better safe than sorry.
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I agree with the theories concerning a badge showing up in quantity suddenly...but from what I have read in this post we are talking about no more than 3 examples.Comment
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But this isn't a "common" badge like a General assualt or IAB. A healthy dose of caution is warranted unless you have a couple of hundred dollars you want to get rid of.
JMHO
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Hmmmmm.....the plot thickens.
Three weeks ago, a "little hand" got the badge for 950 Euros off Kai's site.
Now...Carsten offers the same badge for 495 Euro.
Sumpthin' goin' on here?
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Just thought I would revive this thread. One has popped up again for sale on an auction site.
Images of the reverse below.
Anybody have anything to add to the thread? I do not, just observing that the badge is back.
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next of the maker's markComment
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