drakkar

[tranchant]

drakkar

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KM badges drakkar and coastal artillerie

hello friends
your opinion pleased on this 2 badges?
thank for your time!
best regards
patrick

[Martin W]

looks like two good Steinhauer & Luck zincers.

Cheers,Martin.

[tranchant]

2 km

hello martin
thank for your answer , for me the coastal no problem , i like the drakkar but i have some dubts , no my speciality!
best regards
patrick!

[Martin W]

Can you post a photo of the rivet on the reverse ?

From what I can see of the obverse it looks like a wartime S&L to me with the early type globe.

Cheers,Martin.

[swjXE]

hello martin
thank for your answer , for me the coastal no problem , i like the drakkar but i have some dubts , no my speciality!
best regards
patrick!

Patrick may be correct, the drakkar appears to be a variation 4 St&L so there's a possibility of it being postwar production.
The Marine Artillery Badge is a nice late war St&L variation 3. I'd also love to see the rivet on the dakkar.

[swjXE]

Patrick may be correct, the drakkar appears to be a variation 4 St&L so there's a possibility of it being postwar production.
The Marine Artillery Badge is a nice late war St&L variation 3. I'd also love to see the rivet on the dakkar.

Patrick,

I could very well be wrong about the drakkar. Could you please send close ups of the hinge and globe rivet. Also can you check individually with a magnet; the globe, hinge, pin and catch. I'd like to know which of these parts are tombak and which are steel. It appears that the catch opens to the left. Is this true? The globe appears to be wartime mfg. as Martin said. (Sorry Martin.)

[Martin W]

I'm fairly convinced that this is a wartime piece by S&L,a photo of the rivet should help confirm this.
I have five wartime S&L's that i can compare the rivet to.

I also have a few postwar S&L's too that i keep for the sake of interest and study.A lot of the postwar S&L's feature a hollow rivet or no rivet at all.


Cheers,Martin.

[tranchant]

drakkar

hello martin
the rivet is hollow with a perfect finition!
best regards
patrick

[BubbaZ]

hello martin
the rivet is hollow with a perfect finition!
best regards
patrick

Hi Patrick,
Could you post the image of the rivet? As Martin has said, hollow rivets were used by S&L post war. The globe looks war time made so if the rivet is really the hollow type then the badge was most likely assembled postwar from wartime leftovers.
Here is more reading about S&L rivets and globes on AC awards:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=S%26L+rivets
Cheers,
Hubert

[tranchant]

drakkar

hello hubert
thank you very mutch , its a fake the same that the post of HUI01!
thank to all for your time and your knowledge!
best regards
patrick

[BubbaZ]

Hi Patrick,
It is not a fake. As Martin has said before it is original S&L zincer. Period of production remains uncertain hence we want to see the rivet.
The badge posted by hui in the thread I provided is not a fake too but original postwar S&L. It is different variant than your badge though since it features typical postwar type of globe.
Cheers,
Hubert

[Norm F]

its a fake the same that the post of HUI01!
thank to all for your time and your knowledge!
best regards
patrick

It's not quite the same as the one previously posted by Brian (hui01) in the other thread since his clearly had the post-war "Type 2" globe whereas the one posted by Patrick in this thread has the "Type 1" wartime-compatible globe. So really, narrowing down the period of assembly is dependent on what the rivet looks like, as Hubert already said.

Best regards,
---Norm

Edit: Ah, I just saw that Hubert already replied.

[Norm F]

For anyone wondering about Patrick's chosen title of this thread (as I did ), "drakkar" is French for a Viking longship; more specifically a "drekar" or dragon-headed Viking longship.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

Also can you check individually with a magnet; the globe, hinge, pin and catch. I'd like to know which of these parts are tombak and which are steel.

This would indeed be helpful as well, to see if it fits the known patterns of hardware usage on the S&L variants.

Best regards,
---Norm