Are these KM badges real?

[John W. Krueger]

I would sincerely appreciate any opinions as to the authenticity of these KM badges. Thanks, John

[John W. Krueger]

Another badge

[John W. Krueger]

Final one

[R Blum]

U-Boat Badge is fake. The other badges need more/better photos.

[BubbaZ]

Sorry to say but all badges in this thread are doubtless fakes.
Cheers,
Hubert

[RKC]

The 2nd pattern "S-Boot" is an 'original'!

Pin is properly formed & the hinge is soldered onto the badge
in the proper way. The pin catch is soldered onto
a 'circular' base which is proper.


The "High Seas" looks good also. Searchlight is nicely formed,
Bridge windows are proper number & formed nicely,
there is also the proper amount of "8" drainage ports on each
side of the bow of the ship.

Photos of the 'reverse' would be helpful!


Ron.

[Norm F]

As Hubert said, all fake unfortunately.

1) The S-Boat is the same type of old fake as discussed in this thread:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=912350

2) The Fleet badge, also an old fake, comes with a couple of different reverse setups, but from the look of it, probably the same type as the attached image.

3) The U-Boat is an old poor casting of the Souval design with fantasy markings and hardware.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

The 2nd pattern "S-Boot" is an 'original'!

A side-by-side comparison to an original shows up multiple differences too numerous to list.

After you do this sort of exercise for a few fakes it becomes second nature to spot the old fakes. Even the newer Staegemeir-type fakes, with their more sophisticated hardware reproduction, don't stand up to this kind of basic scrutiny.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

Agree, they are all fakes and the S-boat fake has been around for a while. Some obvious signs of the fake, our threads here identify them.

John

[John R.]

To help the collector a bit with the SB S-boat, whenever you see any of these with golden wreaths, your concern factor should be going up rapidly.

As Norm has posted, we normally, but not always, see them with a grey wreath. For me, the only SB S-boat I would want would look like that, grey. Not gold.

Since this is not 100% the case with every single one, you must then start looking at the hook. Very carefully at the hook.

Then pin, hinge and letters on the reverse.

See this one for what I am talking about in regards to finish. Most should look like this.

John

[John W. Krueger]

I thank all who have helped me with these badges. I was offered them and don't have any other photos. John

[John R.]

Saved you some money then by posting, which is what this forum is for. If you are going to spend your cash on these artifacts, need to be certain. John

[Martin W]

I agree with the above comments.

They are all postwar reproductions IMO.

Cheers,Martin.

[RKC]

Thanks Norm & John for the additional information
I would have bought both of them just looking at the
photos. In-hand is different .. I now see the 'differences'
between the "originals"....I'm still a 'Headgear' guy!

Ron.