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    #1

    Auxiliary Cruiser Badge Opinion

    Hi,

    Is this Auxiliary Cruiser badge a W.W.2 original, both rivet and catch seems different to me, opinions are welcome.

    Regards, juno44


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    Last edited by Norm F; 10-28-2013, 11:28 PM. Reason: uploaded linked images
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    Hi juno44,

    That's an interesting badge you post there and fits well into the recent discussion in this thread on atypical zinc Schwerin variants:
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...27#post6083027

    To me that looks like an unmarked copy of a zinc Schwerin Auxiliary Cruiser badge. What's really interesting to me is the globe looks identical to the crude non-ferrous, non-aluminum globe in the marked badge in post #36 of that thread. That badge is also discussed in this thread:
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=244609&page=2

    Your badge has different hand finishing around the eagle's head and under the sail and is unmarked of course, but my suspicion is this could be a prototype of the marked copies of the so-called "Level 3" zinc Schwerin's discussed in that first thread. That is only my first impression, and I welcome further discussion on this badge. The other purely speculative theory in that thread was of some late war attempts in Lüdenscheid to duplicate Schwerin's production after Berlin came under increasing bombing pressure. But I agree with you that the rivet looks quite atypical.

    An interesting badge for sure. Could you possibly post the dimensions and weight in grams to one decimal place and provide some closeups of the edges of the badge and the hardware?

    Best regards,
    ---Norm

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      #3
      To me this badge is different from the one that Tony posted before. The globe looks the same but I see some differences in the outline of the reverses which could be due to different hand finishing but on the obverse I see some areas that aren't the same. For example, the figure looks thinner with a different shaped helmet, the eagle's talons look different as do the legs, The center of the front shield looks different, the lower left corner of the sail and shield below it looks different, spines of the dragon's back are not the same. Could this be due to the other badge not being cleaned? I am not sure but more sets of eyes on this would help. I just am not very comfortable yet with this particular design of badge with its ill fitting globe.
      JAndrew

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        #4
        Originally posted by JAndrew View Post
        To me this badge is different from the one that Tony posted before.
        Hi JAndrew,

        I agree it's different, and yet it's closely related. The obverse detail is much cruder than the badges discussed in the other thread (including Tony's) in all the areas you mention but nevertheless it's the same "Schwerin design" and the similarity in the crude globes is striking. (I'm not at my home computer now to illustrate but will eventually get to it.) That's why my first impression was a fake of the Level 3 badges as opposed to a late war variation, but I think we need more data.

        Best regards,
        ---Norm

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          #5
          Here are a couple of quick comparisons between this unmarked badge and Tony's atypical Level 3 "faded-C" zinc Schwerin.

          One can see the same general obverse design but much cruder rendition of the eagle in the unmarked badge, as though one is a copy of the other.

          The globe comparison is interesting. At the bottom is the detailed aluminum globe of an early zinc Schwerin. On the right is Tony's "Level 3" with the non-aluminum globe -- much cruder. Then the crudest of all is the unmarked badge on the left, yet it shows some similar "underwater land masses" to the globe on the Level 3. The islands look a little smaller with larger spaces between them. I suspect that globe is a casting of the "Level 3" globe.

          The controversies still remain around atypical "faded-C" versions of the Level 3 badges as discussed in the thread on Tony's badge, but regardless, to me this unmarked badge looks like a copy of a "Level 3" zincer.

          Best regards,
          ---Norm
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            #6
            The side photo is inadequate but when enlarged shows something suspicious for casting lines. And when you compare the bend of the main pin soldered to the hinge to that of a Schwerin you see more differences. I suspect better photos might tell the story.

            Best regards,
            ---Norm
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            Last edited by Norm F; 10-28-2013, 11:42 PM.

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              #7
              Hi to all,

              Unfortunately I do not have the badge in hand, a friend of mine bought it at a show last Saturday and not looking right to me I ask him if I could take photos of it. I may see him again at a show in 2 weeks and if so I will ask him to bring it so I can take more photos of it.

              Regards, Michel

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                #8
                Hi,

                Unfortunately, I was not able to get the badge back so I could take the photos that were requested. I will post the photos as soon as I am able to do so, hoping the owner
                will let me do it.

                Regards, Michel

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