S-Boat 2nd Model for review

[Oberst Rudel]

Hi friends: just came this one...no maker mark, what do you think??? Fake or good original??? Many thanks in advance Oberst.

[Oberst Rudel]

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[Oberst Rudel]

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[AndyC]

Looks like it could be a postwar Rudolf Souval catch.
Could you take a better picture of the catch?


Andy

[Bono]

Looks like it could be a postwar Rudolf Souval catch.
Could you take a better picture of the catch?


Andy

Or repaired... Need better pics.

Regards, Bono

[Oberst Rudel]

Hi its not marked...Souval, normally no marked the pieces??? An the catch have welding rests....

[Oberst Rudel]

more.

[BubbaZ]

From the obverse design it looks like RS but I do not really like it. Strange postwar Souval at best IMO or a fake.
Cheers,
Hubert

[AndyC]

It has IMO a repaird postwar Souval hook


Andy

[Tom Yanacek]

Overall, the badge looks really crude. IMO a total fake.

Best regards,
Tom

[Tom Yanacek]

This picture alone is quite telling.

[Norm F]

Hi Guys,

I have to agree with Tom, this is most likely an out-an-out fake. Although the obverse design is like a Souval (and the Pforzheim makers) the outlines don't match Souval for either wartime or post-war issue. And although the obverse is well done, the colour and texture of the reverse and edges look bad.

It's interesting, however, how convincingly the obverse was rendered. Never let it be said that forgers can't mimic the look of a late war zinc badge...

Best regards,
---Norm

[RKC]

Baaad boat!

"Reproduction"...."Molded"

According to the photographs furnished I found a "mold seam" in 2 locations on the badge. As-well-as, this I also believe that the 'pin catch' is the old well known "Souval" 'one-piece' on all the post-war reproductions that was 'modified' by cutting or breaking the "hook" portion off & someone threw on that round piece of metal wire & heavily soldered the base part of the old catch to try to hide the fact that it was that type of catch.

All-in-all, it's a dud!

Ron.

[Norm F]

"Reproduction"...."Molded"
As-well-as, this I also believe that the 'pin catch' is the old well known "Souval" 'one-piece' on all the post-war reproductions that was 'modified' by cutting or breaking the "hook" portion off & someone threw on that round piece of metal wire & heavily soldered the base part of the old catch to try to hide the fact that it was that type of catch.

Hi Ron,

I see what you mean about the catch plate resembling the base of the post-war Souval "claw" catch. That's a good observation.

However, this fake doesn't seem to be simply a casting of a Souval since the margins of the wreath have a much more complex pattern than the typical smooth margins of a Souval. Not sure exactly how this came about, but a lot of work seems to have gone into making this reproduction.

Best regards,
---Norm

[RKC]

Norm:

Not a 'mold' of a SOUVAL. I referred to the 'pin-catch' as a SOUVAL. I think this was originally copied after a 'SCHWERIN' with a "plain" reverse made-up to throw people off.

I'm not 'positive' but, I think that SAME pattern was in Canada for a while in the late 80's & didn't do too well in sales. A few of us even 'shared' opinions on 1 of the 'Big' guys was having a lot of these awards made overseas & farming them out at 'bargain prices' to the West Coast area of the States.

Ron.