Kriegsmarine Destroyer Badge

[NORDSUDETEN]

Hello ALL

Please determine the manufacturer?
Tomback!
Thanks!

[NORDSUDETEN]

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[JAndrew]

Unmarked GWL?
JAndrew

[AndyC]

Unmarked GWL?
JAndrew

Could be


Andy

[BubbaZ]

Hi,
It is so called 'unmarked GWL' but we have no sound proof so far these were made by GWL and not by Deumer. It also concerns GWL marked examples. They could also be made by Deumer and only marked by GWL as a distributor.
They come from the sister die to the one used to strike needle pin Deumers and have Deumer-like reverse hardware. There are very tinny differences in cabin door and most 'GWLs' are double striked (as the one here) but it does not necessarily mean they were made by GWL.
Cheers,
Hubert

[Norm F]

Hi Nordsudeten,

Hubert has said it all. When you compare your Tombak Destroyer next to the zinc Deumer Destroyer it's apparent why Deumer is a likely candidate as the maker of this badge. Aside from the same design and hardware, note the almost identical pattern of patina under the waves.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Mike Kenny]

The catch looks like S&L, not Deumer or GWL, despite them all being Leudenscheid.

Regards
Mike

[Norm F]

The catch looks like S&L, not Deumer or GWL, despite them all being Leudenscheid.

Regards
Mike

Hi Mike,

I think some wear and distortion of the catch may give that impression, but it's definitely more Deumer-like than S&L-like when you get down to the details.

Here's Nordsudeten's Destroyer catch compared with a couple of catches from zinc Deumer Minesweepers. In contrast there's a compilation of the classic S&L metal catch so appreciate the difference.

Best regards,
---Norm

[NORDSUDETEN]

Thank you guys for your help!!

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Mike,

I think some wear and distortion of the catch may give that impression, but it's definitely more Deumer-like than S&L-like when you get down to the details.

Here's Nordsudeten's Destroyer catch compared with a couple of catches from zinc Deumer Minesweepers. In contrast there's a compilation of the classic S&L metal catch so appreciate the difference.

Best regards,
---Norm

Yes, looking closer, it's missing the S&L sharp lower inner corner.

Regards
Mike

[BubbaZ]

Aside from the same design and hardware, note the almost identical pattern of patina under the waves.

Hi Norm, thanks for the comparison with zinc Deumer, great spot on the pattern of patina under the waves! This is the last straw that breakes the GWL's back in this case IMO
Cheers,
Hubert