Hilfskreuzer-Kriegsabzeichen

[hui01]

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Hi.

I need your opinium,with this one.

Is it an orginal badge?

Thank you.

Regards Brian

[hui01]

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[Pepe77]

A good badge

[BubbaZ]

Hi Brian,
Can you provide a closeup of the rivet?
It's original S&L zincer but the globe looks like representing the postwar pattern. So it is probably postwar assembled award from wartime leftovers (wreath and hardware) and postwar produced globe.
I enclose my wartime example but with different setup.
Cheers,
Hubert

[AndyC]

Its a postwar S&L in IMO but i could be wrong



Andy

[hui01]

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I hope these pictures are okay.

Regards Brian

[Norm F]

Hi Brian,

I agree with Hubert. In my opinion the flawed "Type 2" globe is post-war manufacture and this badge by current thinking is an example of S&L's post-war assembly of wartime leftovers (planchet and hardware) with the post-war globe.

This raises the interesting question of the finish, which looks like a typical late war gilding of the type that faded to grey. The question is, was this finish applied in wartime or post-war. My guess would be the planchets were finished in late wartime and that the globe would be affixed after the gilding was applied so there would be no splash-over onto the globe. So perhaps at the end of the war, S&L was left with a bunch of gilded unassembled wreaths?

Best regards,
---Norm

[hui01]

Hi everybody!

Thank you very much for your help. I appriciate it!

I have had it,in my collection for two years and i thougt it was original.

**** HAPPENS!

Regards Brian

[BubbaZ]

Well, Brian, it is genuine award by S&L, just postwar assembled from wartime and postwar pieces. These S&Ls with postwar type 2 globe were also copied by Staegemeir, like the one enclosed. But yours is not a fake.
Cheers,
Hubert

[John R.]

Hi Brian,
Can you provide a closeup of the rivet?
Hubert

Hi Hubert,

You asked for an image of the rivet which was provided. Could you compare this with yours to show exactly what you are looking at?

John

[BubbaZ]

Hi John,
The rivet alone should not be considered as a deal breaker in case of these S&L Auxiliary Cruisers.
I wanted to see the closeup of the rivet on Brian's award to check if it falls in any of typical wartime or postwar rivet categories. If it postwar it would support the opinion given that the badge was postwar assembled piece out of wartime and postwar parts. It does not look typical postwar though (since it was damaged?).
I enclose typical wartime and postwar S&L rivets, based on previous research and posts by Tom Durante.
Cheers,
Hubert

[John R.]

Thanks Hubert,

John

[BubbaZ]

Here is more reading in the subject:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...obe+S%26L+norm
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=type+globe

The rivet on my badge is wartime dome-head type.

I also enclose image showing features of postwar type 2 globe.

Cheers,
Hubert

[Norm F]

I also enclose image showing features of postwar type 2 globe.

Cheers,
Hubert

Just adding a comment to this thread to point out that the example illustrating the features of the Type 2 globe shown by Hubert in post #13 is actually the Staegemeir fake that was based upon an example with the Type 2 globe.

Best regards,
---Norm