Looking for opinions on these two badges i seen today. The Gwl sub badge looks ok. I have never seen a sub clasp in the hand before. it looks okay to me but the pin is not what i see in reference books. all comments welcome.
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Some pics of clasp. more photos available. i am struggling to upload from phone but will be ok when i get to my computer. -
Hi Jenko,
The clasp is a reproduction, I'm afraid.
Best regards,
---NormComment
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Thanks as I said the ones in the books had a wide stamped out pin rather than the solid one on this badge plus some of scriptbon the back looks wavey. whats your thoughts on the gwl badge.Originally posted by Norm F View PostComment
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Pic of front of gwl badge.Comment
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Agree with Norm, the clasp is a fake.
JohnComment
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Any thoughts on the gwl badge?Comment
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Hi Jenko,Originally posted by Jenko View Post
There are a lot of very good copies of the GWL U-Boat around so you really need good photos and closeups of hardware and margins, and ideally also the weight and dimensions.
Based on just these photos I wouldn't go out on a limb on this badge. Furthermore I don't like the way the round-wire main pin projects higher than the top of the hinge, and the shape of the cast-in catch looks off.
I'm not saying for sure it's a fake, but I would definitely pass on it without further study.
Best regards,
---NormComment
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I thought the hardware a little less chunky than i would expect gwl. glad collecting war badges is not my thing. to easy to get stung.Comment
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I think the GWL is probably OK, but like Norm said, we need better images.
Here is a comparison with a good example on top and yours on the bottom.
You need straight on images like the one on top to get decent opinions.
JohnComment
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A quintessential example of the GWL was posted by Lorenzo Brown in 2005 with good closeups in posts #4 to #7 in this thread:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...36#post1204236
Note the shape of the catch in profile, the tooling mark at the top of the pin where it bends around the hinge, and the position and footprint of the pressure foot on the closeup images, and compare all that closely to the GWL badge that you have in hand.
Best regards,
---NormComment
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OK, here is a comparison of the catch.Comment
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Another problematic issue the uneven thickness of the badge at the top of the thread--meaning below the catch, as compared with Lorenzo's example.
The thickness of the catch is not the same either, perhaps that could have been explained by filing at some point.
JohnComment
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And the pin issue Norm noted. I think we can safely say this is a fake.
Good eye (s) Norm!!!!
JohnComment
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