Nice Auxillery Cruser Badge for review

[NBolinger]

i believe this is a original badge, to bad the pin is missing but the gold is all there! Hope the badge is real, and help i can get would be great.

[NBolinger]

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[Norm F]

I'm afraid this looks like an improved version of Staegemeir's fake 2-piece Auxiliary Cruiser (sometimes found with an L/21 mark). You can see the unique contours of the margins match although he's made a better attempt at the zinc base metal.

Best regards,
---Norm

[NBolinger]

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Very Intresting, this medal was baught from a vets family {not by me} along with a big bag of insignia. Maybe i got fooled LOL

There are several differences between my badge and the one you pictured, base metal, pin placement the catch is different, the rivit is different, its not marked, the gold finish is different? Even the cutout on the back is not exact and im going to guess most of them are about the same?

[Martin W]

This is an interesting badge.

At first look i would consider it an early postwar piece by Steinhauer & Luck.It has the domed type of rivet that we beleive to be of postwar production by S&L.
However ,this badge appears to have early type of globe,with the narrow lines of longitude and latitude,the type we see on what we consider to be period badges by S&L.

So,my guess is a possible postwar assembled badge by S&L made from period parts?

Here is an example that i have that i beleive to be early postwar with the same domed head rivet but with the later "wide lined" globe.

With S&L it is hard to be precise as to when these badges were actually made ?

The Staegemeir fakes that i have seen usually feature the "hollow" type of rivet as shown in the image posted by Norm.
I do not recall seeing a Staegemir HK with the "domed" rivet ?

Regards,Martin.

[Nordmark]

Original wartime or postwar (who knows?!) S&L badge for me. Definitely not a Staegemeir fake.




Daniel

[Norm F]

So,my guess is a possible postwar assembled badge by S&L made from period parts?

Regards,Martin.

Hi Martin,

You're absolutely right and I was too hasty in my posting.

The Staegemeir "L/21" was actually his early attempt based upon the S&L and he marked it L/21 because the prevailing misconception in the collecting community at that time was that the S&L was made by F&B. (He was obviously paying attention. )

With the current badge under discussion I was thrown off by the extra large catch plate and wrong catch which seemed to be trying to imitate F&B's catch plate and Mayer's catch. The wrong rivet also looked post-war but as you say not Staegemeir's usual hollow rivet.

Finally, the early post-war Lüdenscheid assembly would fit with NBolinger's story of a vet bring back. Certainly not a wartime awarded piece but an interesting artifact, nonetheless.

Best regards,
---Norm

[BubbaZ]

I agree, early postwar or early postwar assembled from wartime leftovers S&L zincer.
Cheers,
Hubert

[John R.]

I agree, early postwar or early postwar assembled from wartime leftovers S&L zincer.
Cheers,
Hubert

Hubert, I assume you mean early wartime or early postwar?

[Nordmark]

I think he means "late war, early postwar". (Still waiting for that ultimate proof though... )

[John R.]

Once Hubert gets back to us I will clean up the posts a bit.

John

[Norm F]

I agree, early postwar or early postwar assembled from wartime leftovers S&L zincer.
Cheers,
Hubert

My interpretation of Hubert's wording is either produced in its entirety in the early post-war period or assembled from wartime produced parts in the early post-war period.

I don't believe S&L was stamping out new planchets in the early post-war period. For me it's only early post-war assembled due to the wrong catch, catch plate and rivet but correct globe.

Best regards,
---Norm

[BubbaZ]

My interpretation of Hubert's wording is either produced in its entirety in the early post-war period or assembled from wartime produced parts in the early post-war period.

Hi Norm,
That's exactly what I wanted to say since these two scenarios seem most likely to me.
But we cannot completely rule out the third one that they were stamping new wreaths early after the war using wartime tooling as Souval did? It is also possible for AC badges that S&L had wartime leftovers of globes, pins and hinges and all they had to do was to strike new wreaths and put it together using postwar rivets and add the catch, probably not included in leftovers?
Cheers,
Hubert

[NBolinger]

Thanks

Thanks for all the help on the badge, you guys really know your stuff!! Thanks for your time.