Schwerin Destroyer Badge

[judorichard]

Here is a Schwerin Destroyer Badge I recently purchased. I think it's good. Please let me know what you guys think.

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Richard,

It appears to be a genuine but worn early tombak example that has had the hinge and main pin repaired/replaced. The replacement hardware looks close to that found on later Schwerin zincers but the alteration could have taken place anytime from wartime to recent.

Regards
Mike

[judorichard]

Thanks Mike

Thanks Mike!

If anyone else has an opinion, please let me know your thoughts.

Richard.

[John R.]

I would agree with Mike. It appears that the pin and hinge are Schwerin zinc badge hardware affixed to a tombak version.

The hand finishing aft of the mast on the wreath is uncharacteristically poor for some reason.

John

[Stu W]

Thanks Mike!

If anyone else has an opinion, please let me know your thoughts.

Richard.

Hi Richard,

I see you are fairly new here. Welcome.

As you already have opinions from two of the half dozen top KM guys around I'll not repeat what they have said but I am wondering if that badge is something that has been presented to you in your store or if it was a purchase you made for your own collection?

Regards,
Stu

[BubbaZ]

Hi Richard,
I agree with above comments. Original early (so called 'type 1') tombak Schwerin Destroyer badge with replaced hinge and main pin.
Cheers,
Hubert

[Mike Kenny]

....The hand finishing aft of the mast on the wreath is uncharacteristically poor for some reason....John

Hi John,

I saw that at the time but put it down to the remnants of some sort of cleaner as it has that whitish chemical appearance. There are also traces below and to the right of the swas. I'd guess a gentle scrub with a toothbrush in soapy water (or try a toothpick) would tell the story pretty quickly.

Regards
Mike

[John R.]

Maybe so, Richard, perhaps you can check that area out.

John

[judorichard]

Hi Richard,

I see you are fairly new here. Welcome.

As you already have opinions from two of the half dozen top KM guys around I'll not repeat what they have said but I am wondering if that badge is something that has been presented to you in your store or if it was a purchase you made for your own collection?

Regards,
Stu

Hi Stu,

Thanks for the welcome! I purchased the badge last week from the E-stand. It's for my collection.

[judorichard]

Thanks

Thanks Mike, John, Hubert & Stu for your comments.

[Gebhi]

Hey Guys,

I am the Seller of this badge and just been notified by Richard about this post asking for refund and return. I find this rather annoying that this badge sometime last year was sold by another WAF member on estand which back then had nothing bad said about it. Nothing was mentioned to me in its time on estand for a correction needed to the sale.

To cut long story short I have replied to Richard with my apologies, any comments directed at me should go in assc. members only forum.

[judorichard]

No worries

Paul,

The concensus seems to be that it is original with a period (probably) repair / replacement of the hinge and pin using an original hinge and pin from the later zinc version of this badge.

As I mentioned in my PM, I didn't name the seller and I don't think anyone is "bashing" you on this forum. Members were just commenting on my posting asking for opinions of the badge. All the opinions expressed were genuine and honest.

As you can't take it back I'll keep it and make sure I ask more questions before buying in the future.

Thanks to the members for their opinions of the badge. To Paul, sticking to PM's for resolving issues is probably best.

Richard.

[John R.]

Hey Guys,

I am the Seller of this badge and just been notified by Richard about this post asking for refund and return. I find this rather annoying that this badge sometime last year was sold by another WAF member on estand which back then had nothing bad said about it. Nothing was mentioned to me in its time on estand for a correction needed to the sale.

To cut long story short I have replied to Richard with my apologies, any comments directed at me should go in assc. members only forum.

Estand is not monitored or required to be monitored by anybody. It is up to the buyer to do his homework and for the seller to know what he is selling.

It would be nice if estand items were all vetted by some sort of board of experts I guess, but that is impractical for many reasons, much less finding a board of experts.

So, just because an item is on estand does not mean anybody on this forum has given it an OK.

Even if it is posted to a subforum, there is no guarantee that it will be properly discussed.

Often items are bought on estand then posted for discussion. I find this the opposite way it should be done, but that is what we have to deal with in many many cases.

If you are not sure, try to secure the item and then post it for comments prior to payment with agreement from the seller.

John

[John R.]

As you can't take it back I'll keep it and make sure I ask more questions before buying in the future.

Check the rules for estand transactions since any item can be returned to the seller if within the designated timeframe for any reason.

If there is a problem with a return, and if you are within the guidelines of a return, then this issue should be raised with the moderators.

John

[John R.]

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