The cheek of some militaria dealers

[The Dragon]

Hello everyone,

I had some time ago a FAKE U-Boat badge on the WAF. (The discussion can be read below)

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=461970

I returned it to the dealer to whom I bought it from and got a refund.

However in addition to the badge above I also had bought other badges from this particular dealer which I had all appraised and discussed on the WAF which were all shot down in flames. So I decided to ring the dealer in question and I told him that I was a member of the WAF and that every medal that I bought from him was appraised and turned down by the members of the WAF as fakes.

He let out this fake nervous laugh then said that dealers were always getting slated on this site because the WAF was full of American clowns.

Now I see the same badge discussed above back up for sale on his site.

http://www.uk-militaria.com/shop/viewphoto.php?x=0

What a piece of work that guy is.

[John R.]

And not just any old clowns--American clowns!!!!!!!!!! That seals it.

Norm, if I was you, I would be very insulted at this.

[Mike Kenny]

For once I don't mind being an Aussie around here!

[Brig]

wow...he needs to let the rivalry of the Revolution go...it's been long enough

[John R.]

UK Militaria---I AM NOT HAPPY

[Norm F]

And not just any old clowns--American clowns!!!!!!!!!! That seals it.

Norm, if I was you, I would be very insulted at this.

Ja, ich bin Kanadier, kein Amerikaner!

Ah well...

"Laugh, and the world laughs with you;
Weep, and you weep alone."
--- from Solitude, Ella Wheeler Wilcox, 1883

[Ludwig]

Who is the dealer?

[The Dragon]

Who is the dealer?

www.uk-militaria.com

[Ludwig]

Thanks!

[Patrick W]

This dealer actualy has 2 websites, the one mentioned is where all the fakes are sold and the other one UKM sales he has the items he believes to be authentic and most of them are. I have had some fantastic pieces from the other site in the past- all items are consignments.

[Lt. Martin]

Is the dealer a member here or on any other forums?

Thanks,
Swayne

[The Dragon]

Is the dealer a member here or on any other forums?

Thanks,
Swayne

I believe he is a member here.

There are indeed two web sites but the fact that a dealer would knowingly put an item back up for resale after it being appraised here and turned down is enough to give an insite into the character of the man. Dealers like that spoil this hobby for collectors and even if he did have some original items he should be left with them. That kind of behaviour where you knowingly con and defraud people out of there hard earned money is unacceptable IMO.

[Lt. Martin]

He is doing one of two things:

1.) (the most likely) He knows that his items are fake, and are selling them anyway, or
2.) He does not believe that the items are fake and is in denial

I hate hearing about people like this, it really makes collecting that much more difficult. Plus, there are almost certainly fakers that prowl around the forums looking for good advice about how to make better (and harder to figure out) fakes.

Swayne Martin

[The Dragon]

He is doing one of two things:

1.) (the most likely) He knows that his items are fake, and are selling them anyway, or
2.) He does not believe that the items are fake and is in denial

Swayne Martin

Either way he should not be selling militaria

Yes you are also right about the fakers prowling around learning how to ply the evil trade even further

[Chris Boonzaier]

I believe he is a member here.

There are indeed two web sites but the fact that a dealer would knowingly put an item back up for resale after it being appraised here and turned down is enough to give an insite into the character of the man.

Personally I think you need to watch what you say...

3 people on the thread say its ok. One says he is not sure but would not buy it, and John says he thinks it is fake.

If I was a buyer I would probably heed Johns advice... but that does not PROVE anything.

So to expect a dealer to now toss this piece is not objective. he has an opinion that he probably thinks is just as valid.

if I ever was to buy another U-Boot, i would avoid this on Johns Say-so... but that is no PROOF that these are fake.

best
Chris

P.S. and no, i am not the seller, and have no idea who he is.