Can't find this for comparison. What do you think? Thanks in advance.
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Looks like a Foerster and Barth pin. The GWL logo looks strange and I'd like to see a closeup of it. The rivet looks very "GWL" though. Could it be that the GWL logo was stamped into the badge later?
The only KM GWL badge that I know about is the Destroyer Badge. And the logo is spelled out on it "G. W. L."
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I agree with the above and stay away from that one!
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ummmmmm...
Hi Bob, I would not touch any (reputed) WW2 badge with that type of pin and hinge...Comment
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Hi Rick. Are you referring to ALL "coke-bottle" type pins?...or just the exact type as shown on this "GWL"?Originally posted by Rick VersaillesVisit my Badge Collection: http://lbmilitaria.homestead.com/home.htmlComment
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Look at how poorly the globe fits on the wreath.GeorgeComment
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The GWL does not look correct but as Yuri states is does look proper for a Foerster & Barth Aux. Cruiser Badge. It even has the little burr the runs from the bottom sail to the oak leaf.
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Never seen a GWL logo on any Kriegsmarine Badges except for U-boat and Destroyer. I agree that the rivet does appear to be similiar to rivets used on Luft Badges by GWL, but the logo itself is way off. Pin, hinge and catch all look proper for L/21, Foerster & Barth. Possibly a real unmarked badge by Foerster & Barth, modified at a later date by someone trying to enhance its value. However if it is a genuine L/21, all they succeeded in doing was ruining it.
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Hi guys may be all badges of this type (GWL, Foerster & Barth) are postwar made?Comment
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Hi Guys,
Bizar AC badge and certainly worth doing some thinking about. Untill now I also had these badges in my OK files as possibly being made by F&B. I think it was Frank that came up with the F&B link based upon the shape of the pin.
However I have never seen this skiny looking GWL mm on such a badge. On the other hand I once saved a picture of a badge weitze had on offer with the same setup and a raised Schwerin Berlin mm
I'll first post the Weitze badge and than an unmarked example of this variant. I hope the current owner doesn't mind me using the pic because I don't know where I saved it from.
Focus on the bend marks on the pin of the unmarked example, perfect match to the GWL. The rivets on both badges seem to be of another type than the hollow rivet on the GWL posted above.
All very confusing if you ask me
KR
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Unmarked supposed F&B ACComment
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It is not so confusing when you think a while about it. Rather unusual, yes, I agree. In my opinion:
-badge that started this thread is an original badge (probably made by Foerster & Barth) with a fake GWL mark, added somewhere in time. That fake mark, which is different from the original GWL mark, can be found on a series of fakes. The whole badge except for the mark compares 100% to other so called Foerster & Barth HSF badges.
-Weitze´s Schwerin badge is original as well. If you compare it to a ZINK Schwerin HSF, you will see it is an exact match, even the maker´s mark and its position. Which is important because this maker´s mark is raised and is part of the die. The only thing different is the setup. For some reason on that badge a (so-called) Foerster & Barth type setup was used.
-third badge is again a Foerster & Barth badge, see how the reverse outlines match the first badge 100%, while they are very different to the Schwerin.
Schwerin ZINK badge to compare Weitze´s example:Cheers, Frank
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Dear Frank,
Makes sense to me, thanks for clearing this up. I think a lot of the confusion is often the result of never ending chances in the reverse setup even on badges made by companies like Schwerin were we tend to focus to much on texbook examples.
KR
PhilippeComment
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Well, that really generated some discussion. I got this badge from a friend who went to the MAX show in about 1988 or so. Asked him to pick me up one badge as a starter. I know he would not deliberately pick up a bad one but he was no expert as such either.
If more pics would be of interest to anyone such as pin open with rivet etc I can try to get some with a digital camera but will have to wait a day as I am about to leave shortly to help my daughter move. Any interest in more pics let me know.Comment
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