FLL Coastal Artillery

[Hans Kondor]

Hello guys,

I would like to ask your opinion about this badge.

[Hans Kondor]

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[Norm F]

Hi János,

The first impression is an exceptionally minty FLL.

But I'm getting paranoid these days about badges that look "too good"! The detail on this badge's eagle and obverse is crisper than any other zinc FLL I've seen, and the overwash of the gilding onto the waves and gun is odd. The tip of the pin is not the usual point seen on these badges.

The catch can be round wire or flat wire (see Lorenzo's example here), and the sheet metal hinge can have a rectangular or oval base. Could you please post good closeups of the catch and hinge?

Here are a couple of other examples posted here. I don't know what else to say, let's see what the others think.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Frank K]

Have a similar one in the files but can't say for sure. Somebody's been playing with a spray can though

[Hans Kondor]

Hello Norm,

unfortunatelly I have no more pictures, its not mine, but I think its the same catch and design of that FLL: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=fll+coastal

[RichardT]

It's a toughy. At the very least it's been re-painted. The FFL badge is particularily known for retaining it's finish. So what bothers me is that if this badge had lost it's finish and someone re-painted it, where is the wear on the obverse detail. This badge retains much more detail on the obverse side than any other FLL Coastal Artillery badge that I've ever seen.

Richard

[andron505]

Hi Anubisz,
imo, its original badge which could be repainted.

[Hans Kondor]

Thank you very much for your comments guys,I pass on that one.

[John R.]

I think multiple dies used based on the mark and comparing various badges. I also believe this is probably, but not definitely, a good one, but repainted due to the overspray. Not a lot of effort went into this one to spruce it up.

Some of these are quite crisp though. One attached. John

[John R.]

mark

[John R.]

In fact, comparing the two badges, the one I posted has crisper details. This might be explained by the new paint job covering up the eagle head, etc. plus the way it was photographed.

As they say, not one for my collection.

John

[Martin W]

IMO,this looks like a good original piece that has probably been refinished or messed with?

Some time ago i noticed that original FLL's had a very distinct die characteristic.

This can be seen in the lower gun housing above the ribbons in the wreath and is in the form of a small circular indentation.

It is visible in the badge posted by Anubisz and the example posted by John above.

Here are a couple more originals that show quite clearly the die characteristic i am talking about.

Regards,Martin.

[Norm F]

IMO,this looks like a good original piece that has probably been refinished or messed with?

Some time ago i noticed that original FLL's had a very distinct die characteristic.

This can be seen in the lower gun housing above the ribbons in the wreath and is in the form of a small circular indentation.

It is visible in the badge posted by Anubisz and the example posted by John above.

Here are a couple more originals that show quite clearly the die characteristic i am talking about.

Regards,Martin.

The problem with that die characteristic is it's so prominent it would be easy to fake. Having said that, although I feel inexplicably uneasy about this badge, I concede it may just be re-finished. Still has an odd tip to the pin, though.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

The more I look at it the softer the details appear to be. However, this could be caused by a worn out die of course.