Schwerin e-boat 2nd pattern

[freeman]

Hello Gentlemen
Can you give me your IMOs on this badge please.
Thank you
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[Martin W]

Hi Michael,

IMO,the badge looks good and if that obverse guilding is original to the badge,then i would rate this one as probably one of the nicest looking 2nd pattern Schwerin S-Boat awards i have seen.

Regards,Martin.

[Steve Mezey]

agree

I for one would have to echo Martin on his call on this piece!That is a great finish on a Schwerin 2nd pattern and it looks good.

Nice one
Steve Mezey

[Adrian]

Amen to that! Stunning badge, if only mine was in such nice condition!

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

Imo it's definitely an original badge but I have concerns over the finish, mainly because on the reverse where it appears the gold finish has spilled over (typical for Schwerins) the finish in those areas appears to be GREY, not gold. From what I can see of the edges, there also appears to be gold finish there. Without intending to rain on Michael's day, I'd really be looking at the finish on this one very carefully.

Regards
Mike

[rhudspith]

Hi,

Imo it's definitely an original badge but I have concerns over the finish, mainly because on the reverse where it appears the gold finish has spilled over (typical for Schwerins) the finish in those areas appears to be GREY, not gold. From what I can see of the edges, there also appears to be gold finish there. Without intending to rain on Michael's day, I'd really be looking at the finish on this one very carefully.

Regards
Mike

Nice badge but agree with mike unfortunately.

Just to expand a little, it is extremely rare to find these badges with the original gold finish intact. In most cases you find partial remains or that the finish is complete but faded to the silver/grey colour. Any 2nd pattern Schwerin e-boat with a strong gold finish like this needs to be looked at carefully.

The first thing to look for is for the condition of the gold finish to match up in three areas (wreath, reverse overspill and bottom of boat). Any silver/grey finish in either the reverse overspill or bottom of boat should immediately throw up red flags, as in the case of this badge.

Some photos of badges with original finish for comparison.

[rhudspith]

Now one with partial finish

[Adrian]

I'll post mine again, I'm fairly sure the wreath colour is the originally applied finish yet on the back where I would expect to see the overspill it looks grey or black? Is it possible this badge has been refinished? Was a seperate colour applied to the back and has this caused the gold to react differently over time?
Also, is it possible that the edges of Michael's badge look gold but the overspill has had the colour washed out by the flash effect?

[freeman]

Thanks for all the advice gentlemen,I have asked for extra photos, and I have my fingers crossed that its the camera flash making the grey area.
I will get back to you on this.
Regards
Michael