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    #1

    Cupal minuature hilfskreuzer on E-stand

    Hi everyone

    A fellow member wants to discuss this badge presently on the e-stand http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=330625, please join in

    Cheers Thomas
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    Hi Thomas,

    This is my very personal opinion, but I don't believe this mini is a pre-45 produced piece. The design is not consistent with other HC minis, nor are the dimensions. There are of course a wide range of sizes on minis, but this awkward size (19mm) has to my knowledge been around only for a few years and they all share the anomalies mentioned above.

    cheers
    Peter

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      #3
      Hi Thomas

      I like it and especially like the looks of the set-up and the way the needle is twisted.

      What mini´s are you referring to Peter, that have submerged in these last years? Please share some more knowledge on this subject.

      I´m sure we have not seen half of the TR mini´s made.

      Best Regards

      Karsten

      "Try not to become a man of success but rather try to become a man of value."

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        #4
        Personally I cant see anything wrong with it colour, metal, reverse, etc all look in keeping. All the best

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          #5
          I agree with Peter on this one. The detail just doesn't match up with what I would expect out of a mini. I have a 16mm and it matches up perfectly with its full size brother.
          On this mini, the eagle has no detail, the ship looks funny and the globe does not even come close to the layout of a 16mm. If it were a good one, wouldn't you expect even greater detail than that of a 16mm?
          I wouldn't want it in my collection - sorry.
          Sincerey Andy B.

          PS. I also noted that on this mini the lines of longitude and latitude are raised, on my 16mm and full size the lines are recessed.
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            #6
            Gentlemen, while my knowledge of stickpins is very limited, I have to say that I'm used to them bearing a much closer resemblance to their big brothers than this one. I just have doubts. While the only one I own isn't brass, it is a close copy of its larger cousin.
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              #7
              Here is a very similar badge i have on file from a fellow Hilfskreuzer collector.I am waiting for conformation but i beleive this mini came from a HSK crewman.

              Regards,Martin.
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                #8
                Thomas,

                the only thing that stopped me from buying your stickpin is the price. I think it is authentic and just lovely.

                Bob Hritz
                In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                  #9
                  There appears to be mixed opinions about this mini and that's fine with me, we all use different criterias to form one. I agree with you Karsten, a lot of unseen stuff out there, still the conformity in size and design should be there. Unfortunately my pc is in the repair-shop at the moment and I don't have access to my files, but I'll get back once it's fixed

                  cheers
                  Peter

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                    #10
                    Hi everyone

                    Thanks for the input. As allways in this hobby its difficult with rarer items to say yes or no with certainty.

                    Detail wise were comparing different badges, also one will notice that my pics are blown up - seen at a distance it looks more in line with its big brother.

                    The plate the pin is soldered to has two marks/lines on each side, wich after studying hundreds of period tinnies is common.

                    Finnish resembles Schwerin and Juncker, blackend on the back and a quality gilding on the front with mirror polishing to the swas - not even our african hero have found out to produce this quality.

                    Metal - I have never seen Cupal fakes, at least they are not widespread. If a faker manages to produce this quality I think we will see alot around - we don't. Least but not last - would a faker start by making some obscure mini?

                    All in all I think that this piece is period and, as allways when I sell stuff, I offer lifetime right of return (I'm 36 by the way).

                    Cheers Thomas

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                      #11
                      Finally my pc is back

                      A few more comments, the HC mini shown by Larry is textbook in regards of design and material, zinc. I'll not even bother to point out the differencies to Thomas's 19mm, they are obvoius. Cupal? Perhaps, but how is that determined? Supporting plates can be found on zinc pieces, but rarely on better quality minis. The size ratio is not correct i.e. too long in relation to width.

                      If a full size badge was up for rewiew and one of these factors was addressed, a lot of opinions would be brought forward. Shouldn't minis deserve equal treatment, given this multitude of anomalies

                      The enclosed image shows a similar 19mm mini, check the reversed ratio.

                      cheers
                      Peter
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                        #12
                        Hi Peter

                        Thanks for showing interest, you do have a point about the backplate but you also see anomalies like this with full size badges. I'm not a mini collector so I don't know if regulation size was controlled by the LDO.

                        Cheers Thomas

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                          #13
                          Hi Thomas,

                          Can you please give me the exact width?

                          cheers
                          Peter

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                            #14
                            Hi Peter

                            Its not in my posession any more, I'll ask the new owner.

                            Cheers Thomas

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                              #15
                              Here is a 9mm version that I found a photo of. I still note that the lines of long./lat. are indented. I also think the mini overall keeps the same dimensions and look as its full size brother. Just my .02 cents.
                              Sincerely Andy B.
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