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    Juncker Coastal Artillery

    Hi guys,

    Been looking forever for a nice, representative Coastal Artillery badge in tombak and was finally able to add this one to the collection. Nice, thin tombak Juncker badge, with nice fire gilded gold finish on the obverse and artificially darkened reverse. I must say however that I am very surprised at the cavities in some of the crevices of the obverse and reverse. I know this is somewhat typical of Juncker made badges, but I don't really understand how this could be created on a die-struck piece. Looks more like something that would happen from a casting. Anyway, would love to hear your opinions on it. I am very comfortable with the badge's originality since Juncker is known to have these type of flaws, but to what extent I am really unsure since I don't specialize in these. Pin doesn't open all the way, so impossible to get a nice scan of the maker mark.

    Thanks guys.

    Tom
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    Most noticable obverse pock marks.
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        Maker mark. Looks a little worn out, like the die was dirty when it was created. Possibly the reason for the pockmarks on Juncker badges.

        Tom
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          Hi Tom !

          100 % Original IMO !

          Regards, Peter

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            The pin should not open all the way on that badge by Juncker...IE it is correct in that sense.

            I always wondered why the Juncker early flak LW Flak Badges which are supposed to be die struck always have that pitted look on the reverse.

            John

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              Hi Tom,

              I've found some Juncker BM badges worse than others in this regard. I had a J2 Pilot with what looked like casting bubbles on the obverse wreath, and some terrible crevices/pits on the wreath to the reverse. It was an original badge all the same. I recently picked up a Coastal arti badge myself with good finish.

              BTW, that's one nice badge, Tom! 1st pattern round wire catch.

              Robert
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                Tom,

                I found the J2. Look at the bubbles in the first lower laurel leaf...

                Robert
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                  and the left side of the wreath!...
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                    Originally posted by John T View Post
                    ...I always wondered why the Juncker early flak LW Flak Badges which are supposed to be die struck always have that pitted look on the reverse....
                    Who has been stating they were die struck? Imo the early Juncker LW badges (pre-war J1 pattern Pilot, Observer, etc) were die struck but early wartime badges (J2 Pilot, Observer, Glider, Para, Flak) all have indications of having been die cast based on that charasteristic metal cooling/crystallisation pattern. I've NEVER seen a die shear mark on those badges - only file marks. I've pointed those observations out here before.

                    Imo it does not surprise me that some/all of wartime the Juncker KM badges were also die cast rather than being struck.

                    Regards
                    Mike
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                      Mike,

                      The many Luft flight qual badges I have owned, most, have had cracks in the wreaths, suggesting die cast BM. I was always under the impression, correct me if wrong, that only the eagles were die struck.

                      Robert

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                        Hi Robert,

                        Yes, I should have been more specific, I was referring mainly to the wreaths of the qualification badges (and 95% of the Flak badge!) I mentioned above being more than likely die cast (the cracks are another good indication).

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                        Mike
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                          Sure Mike,

                          As seen on this FLL wreath...

                          Robert
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                            The surface imperfections on these badges is a manufacturing defect known as a "cold shut." It can occur anytime the metal is in a molten (die-cast) or elastic (die-forged) state. It is caused by a failure of the metal particles to come together and blend back into a solid mass as the metal cools. It can also occur during a hot rolling process. The presence of a cold shut does not always imply that a badge was die-cast. It can happen just as easily in die-forging. Sometimes you can buy original badges displaying a cold shut for cheap, because many collectors and dealers will think they are fake.

                            BTW: Nice badge Tom. I hope you got it for a bargain price because of all those "pockmarks."

                            Best regards,
                            Tom
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                              Hi guys,

                              Been out of town for a few days, sorry for the late reply. Thanks for all the replies and thoughts. As I stated earlier, I am very happy with this badge simply because of the quality of the fittings and finish, but more specifically because Juncker badges are known to exhibit such qualities.

                              Here are the dims on my CA:

                              Ht. = 53.7 mm
                              Width = 41.65 mm
                              Wt. = 22.9 grams

                              I do see shear marks on the sides of my badge, also definately on my several Juncker CCCs. I would be very surprised for us to determine that these are all die cast rather than die forged. I can certainly see a clear difference in the material structure compared to my GWL CCCs (clearly die cast) and the Juncker CCCs (die forged IMO). Even cast badges will have shear marks, I can see definate shear marks on the side of my GWL CCCs, produced when the flash-cutter trimmed off the excess cast material. But, the difference in my experience is the clarity of detail and material structure that set these badges apart from cast badges. We should open a separate topic about this, could be a great informative thread!!!

                              Robert, that is one pock-marked J2! Never seen one that bad, but goes to show that these were somewhat of a characteristic on original Juncker badges.

                              Thanks guys.

                              Tom
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