UBoot badge RK

[genoa41]

Hello
I remember some time ago a thread about the 2nd pattern of the RK Ubadge .
Can someone show pics of this type ?
Many thanks in advance .

[John R.]

We ran a thread on this before, it is now back at the top. Gordon's example is there also as is the current fake of this badge. You did not like the badge posted and you were right.

John

[genoa41]

Hi John
I have found two badges.
If the GW badge is the prototype ,at first sight I don't find clear differences .
Regarding the badge on the old thread the GW's opinion perhaps was different .
regards
giorgio

[genoa41]

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[John R.]

These two look OK to me compared to the one GW has. THe other one, the one with the holes in the back is the problem we see so far. However, is it a fake, or a real badge with a refinish? John

[genoa41]

Well now to sum up
The difference between 1st and 2nd pattern is just the mm and the integrally cast clip (?)
I have never seen the obverse of GW's badge , I expect sameness between the two patterns (?)
I have no informations about weight/width/height
The below badge and this on the old thread seem like each other ; same flaws . Also some 1st patterns display on the reverse deep cuts .
Roughly the showed badges don't reveal clear variances from the specimen (GW's badge) . Are the flaws a key factor or misdirecting ?
I have not a clear idea and I don't find a clue to a puzzle .
Possibly I miss some detail amd I'm making a mistake .
It's a pity that we haven't other badges to compare .
Any ideas from you ?
All the best
giorgio

[John R.]

This is Gordon's badge from the other thread. All three look fine to me. The new one out does not, the one on GCA and the one posted by Husme. Both ard identical in reverse flaws and look newly made.

Not sure what you are asking? Which badge are you having a problem with, the one on GCA? I am afraid sometimes you just can't get the 100% answer you keep looking for since you do not have the information needed.

Up to the buyer since they are close without the specs available.

John

[John R.]

Just so people know what is going on, here is the badge you posted on GCA--you never did say where you saw it.

[John R.]

Here is Phillipe's example that is a fake according to him. Note the same dimples on the back circled.

[John R.]

Here is the example posted long ago by Husme here on WAF--do you know Husme or is your posted badge the same as the Husme badge? Note it has the same markings. Maybe it is the same badge floating around, but we need more information.

[John R.]

Also the scratches on the back of the eagle from Philippe's example. Maybe you can shed some light on what is going on???

Personally, I think all these with the dimples on the back and scratches on the reverse of the eagle are fakes coming from the same source. Can I prove this to you, no, prove to us what you think.

[John R.]

This has a lot of similarities to the GWL fakes going out currently and can be found if you search this forum for GWL fake. John

[John R.]

Let me try to summarize and answer (if I can) what you are saying:

Well now to sum up
The difference between 1st and 2nd pattern is just the mm and the integrally cast clip (?) TRUE

I have never seen the obverse of GW's badge , I expect sameness between the two patterns (?) (PROBABLY)

I have no informations about weight/width/height (HERE THEY ARE:

OVERALL WIDTH: 49.2MM
OVERALL HEIGHT: 40MM
MAX. THICKNESS OF STRIKING: 3.5MM
WINGSPAN OF NATIONAL EMBLEM: 32.6MM
WEIGHT: 20.5 )

The below badge and this on the old thread seem like each other ; same flaws . Also some 1st patterns display on the reverse deep cuts .
Roughly the showed badges don't reveal clear variances from the specimen (GW's badge) . (I AGREE, ONLY THE ONE BADGE WITH THE DIMPLES MIGHT BE BAD)

Are the flaws a key factor or misdirecting ? (YES AND FINISH, WITHOUT IT IN HAND, YOU CAN'T BE 100% SURE, BUT THAT BADGE WITH THE DIMPLES IN THE BACK DOES NOT LOOK QUITE RIGHT)

I have not a clear idea and I don't find a clue to a puzzle . (SOMETIMES THE ANSWER IS NOT THAT CLEAR, THAT IS WHY THERE ARE GOOD FAKES AND BAD FAKES. WHEN I FIRST SAW THE BADGE BY HUSME, THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE OK, BUT SINCE THEN, AFTER MORE STUDY, IT DOES NOT LOOK QUITE RIGHT AND IS A RISK LIKE YOU SAID THE FIRST TIME)

Possibly I miss some detail amd I'm making a mistake . (MAYBE, MAYBE NOT--I THINK WE ARE AGREEING ON THESE BADGES)

It's a pity that we haven't other badges to compare . (WE HAVE FOUR TOTAL BADGES, GW'S BADGE WHICH MATCHES THE TWO YOU POSTED HERE AND THE ONE BADGE POSTED BY YOU AND HUSME--LOOK AT THE OTHER THREAD)

Any ideas from you ? (NOT MUCH MORE I/WE CAN ADD. YOU HAVE MOSTLY OPINIONS THAT THE ONE BADGE IS A FAKE AND THE OTHERS ARE OK, FROM HERE, IT IS UP TO YOU. THESE FORUMS ARE NOT ABSOLUTE, WE AND YOU ARE JUST GIVING OPINIONS, THAT IS ALL)

All the best (TO YOU TOO)

giorgio

[genoa41]

Hi John
Sorry for the delay . I was out
I don't own this type of badge ,but I am looking for it
The badges with holes are fakes . The other I posted probably is right .
The problem for me is : I am unable to provide directories to judge objectively the originality of a badge RK 2nd pattern.
All the best
giorgio

[John R.]

Hi John
Sorry for the delay . I was out
I don't own this type of badge ,but I am looking for it
The badges with holes are fakes . The other I posted probably is right .
The problem for me is : I am unable to provide directories to judge objectively the originality of a badge RK 2nd pattern.
All the best
giorgio

Yes, this is a tough one Giorgio. I think if it matches any of these badges, maybe without the dimples, and has a finish like the three, it is OK to go with. These are not that expensive compared to other tombak versions, so the risk is acceptable I think.

Does Husme have this badge? If so he can take the measurements and weight and we can compare it to what is listed above (From Torpedo Los)

Thanks for bringing a new badge back for discussion.