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**David C.** · 03-25-2003, 04:02 PM

Cremer Badge

P.S. As far as I know Peter-Erich Cremer never received the Oakleaves for his Knights Cross.

**W. C. Stump** · 03-25-2003, 06:12 PM

Re: The mystery U Boat Badge w/Diamonds

Originally posted by David C.
Ladies & gentlemen I have a bit of a mystery that I need some help solving and maybe together we can take a stab. Can anyone verify if KorvettenKapitan Peter-Erich Cremer of U-333, U-152, & U-2519 ever received the Gold U Boat Badge with Diamonds (U Boots-Kriegsabzeichen mit Brillanten)? From my reading there were 30 badges given during the war. The first was to Admiral Donitz and the other 29 were given to Korvettenkapitan's who supposebly received the KC with oakleaves! Come to find out there may have been one more given to Cremer in the very last days of the war (May, 1945). I would like some help finding out what ideas that all of my peers may know about this mystery.

Regards,

David Caldwell
Colorado, USA

What evidence do you have that shows that Cremer received the U-Boat Badge with Diamonds? He isn't listed as an Oak Leaves winner either.

**Joseph D'Errico** · 03-25-2003, 07:34 PM

Hello David,

This should be what your after; Peter-Erich Cremer never recieved the U-Boat clasp with brilliants or the oakleaves to the Knights Cross.

Peter-Erich Cremer
Korvettenkapitän (Crew 32)
Sank 6 ships for a total of 26.873 tons
2 ships damaged for a total of 9.252 tons

Born 25 Mar, 1911 Metz, Lorraine
Died 5 Jul, 1992 Hamburg

Peter Erich Cremer Ranks

1 Jan, 1934 Fähnrich zur See
1 Sep, 1935 Oberfähnrich zur See
1 Jan, 1936 Leutnant zur See
1 Oct, 1937 Oberleutnant zur See
1 Feb, 1940 Kapitänleutnant
11 Jul, 1944 Korvettenkapitän

Decorations

10 Feb, 1940 Iron Cross 2nd Class
10 Feb, 1940 U-boat War Badge
11 Feb, 1940 Iron Cross 1st Class
25 Jun, 1942 Knights Cross
1942 Verwundeten Abzeichen in Silber
27 Sep, 1944 U-boat Front Clasp

U-boat Commands
U-152 29 Jan, 1941 - 21 Jul, 1941 No war patrols
U-333 25 Aug, 1941 - 6 Oct, 1942 3 patrols (117 days)
U-333 18 May, 1943 - 19 Jul, 1944 5 patrols (211 days)
U-2519 15 Nov, 1944 - Feb, 1945 No war patrols

This is all i could come up with at this time for a partial list of the 29 recipients:

15 Jul 1941 Kptlt. Herbert Schultze U-48
18 Jul 1941 Kptlt. Engelbert Endraß U-46
31 Dec 1941 Kptlt. Reinhard Suhren U-564
11 Apr 1942 Kptlt. Erich Topp U-552
7 May 1942 Kptlt. Reinhard Hardegen U-123
30 Jan 1943 Krvkpt. Karl-Friedrich Merten U-68
1 Oct 1943 Kptlt. Carl Emmermann U-172

I will conduct some futhur research when I get home, that is where most of my books are.

But here is a great U-Boat site if you don not already have it book marked;

http://uboat.net/boats/index.html

Best Regards,
JD

**David C.** · 03-26-2003, 01:14 PM

Cremer U-Boat Badge w/Diamonds

I do not have any proof that this badge is original but it comes dirrectly from the Peter-Erich Cremer Estate in Germany and is being sold by one of the most reputable dealers! I realize that in everything I have read that the U Boat Badge with Diamonds was "USUALLY" given to KC with Oakleaves holders. But I have seen that word usually come up a number of times. I have talked to other people who follow the U Boat history and they have said that in May of 45, when Cremer was supposibly given this badge, he was in command of the Guards-Battalion who was in charge of protecting the Grossadmiral. Yes the same commander who was in charge of the trigger-happy sentry who shot and killed Korvettenkapitan Luth! Possibly at that time he may have been given the badge. I just think it is interesting that we may have an unsolved piece of history. Could change a number of books and websites if it were true and if it is not true then we atleast get to have some interesting debate! I am going to contact the seller directly to see if I can get clarification from the family but I wanted to have any thoughts from my peers on maybe what to ask.

Regards,

David Caldwell

**W. C. Stump** · 03-26-2003, 01:49 PM

INTERESTING STORY

The story you have been told should be thoroughly researched. If in fact it can be verified it will indeed change the record books on the number of recipients of this very scarce award. Many things happened in the last day of the war that have pass unnoticed into history. If in fact this officer was bestowed the U-Boat Badge with Diamonds his award has thus far been lost to history. I would also check out the dealer you say is "reputable" and I would request and require a direct link from the family to the dealer.

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