2nd Pattern E-Boat Badge "R.S."

[Stan]

I bought this badge a few years ago when I was in Hamburg. I wanted to replace a Schwerin/Peekhaus example I had which ws in poor condition.

The front of this RS badge looks pit-marked to me. The pin and catch are magnetic. Is it fake or legit?

Stan

[Stan]

2nd Pattern E-Boat Badge

Reverse.

[Stan]

2nd Pattern E-Boat Badge

Another reverse shot.

Stan

[Don D.]

Can you provide weight/measurements?

[Stan]

2nd Pattern E-Boat Badge

Don,

Weight is 44.8g. Where do you want me to measure?

Stan

[Stan]

2nd Pattern E-Boat Badge

Herewith some measurements:

Top of eagle to centre of base 59.9mm
Tip of ship's bow to tip of wave 55mm
Width of eagle 34.5mm

Stan

[Stan]

2nd Pattern E-Boat Badge

Guys,

Any more opinions on this one?

Stan

[Lorenzo Brown]

Several things I don't like:

Lots of "pitting" on the ship and the waves;
The wreath and eagle show wear...but no zinc peeping through;
The catch is wrong...should be a c-catch and a plate.

I think it's a casting.

[RICK S]

e-boat rs

Here are pictures of mine for comparision. Dimensions also
height 60.30 mm, width 55.18mm, eagle 34.64mm, wt.40.1 gr.
Regards RICK S

[RICK S]

e-boat rs

rear

[RICK S]

e=boat rs

rear 2

[RICK S]

e-boat rs

catch & hinge

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

Well this one seems to be splitting the pack!

I think the badge is probably genuine BUT the obverse has been messed with - ie REFINISHED. The reverse to me looks 100% authentic to me, even though the catch is not typical Souval (the hinge and pin are though) - it even has the light diagonal "lines". Notice that there are remnants of a dark gold plating on the reverse with dark zinc exposed in patches (Post#3) - very different to the bright gold on the obverse and strange "washed out" light grey of the boat.

Re the pitting, yes, normally it is a sign of a casting. However let's take this one in context. It is a zinc KriegsMARINE badge.

I'll post pics of my example below- a definite NON-bendable RS zincer. It has lots of pitting - the pitting is shallow but "broad" - not pinpoint as per most castings. Imo, my example is showing the evidence of salt water exposure. I think it could genuinely be described as "salty" in appearance.

Fyi, the specs for my example;
Weight - 44.48 g
Height - 60.2 mm (eagle's head to wreath tie)
Height - 60.35 mm (eagle's head to base of wreath)
Eagle's Wingspan - 34.38 mm

Regards
Mike

PS: the badge in the back of Angolia's For F&F (P444, 2nd edition) is also pitted and the light lines are again visible.

[Mike Kenny]

Reverse...

[Terrence]

mine