Coastal Artillery by "Z"

[John R.]

No clue on the maker, though... My first thought was maybe one of the many "Zimmerman" companies... but none of them made KM badges to my knowledge.

Perhaps it's a test strike? A sales tool to try and get the LDO to license them?

Aldwyn,

L/52, or Zimmerman, made KM badges.

John

[Aldwyn]

Thanks John! I'll do some research and find out which ones they made...

[anguspm]

But shouldn´t the question be whether it is a "Z" or an "N"?

I know that pieces when they are defective in someway would be marked to show them as scrap. Would Z or N be the initial for a german word saying this?

(Train of thought comes from Aviation and everything being marked S - Servicable or US - Unservicable)

[Frank Heukemes]

The mark is clearly a Z, no a N, check the serifs!
My thought is that this mark is NOT really related to the maker, it is one of those (for now) inexplicable marks. Either related to another maker who also distributed them or related to some technical process. Z does not equal a German word that comes to my mind for "scrap item."

On the other hand, this made me look deeper into the CABs with this design. I found a pattern in the setup combinations they use and it made me find out the actual maker of these. Can anyone guess?

[John R.]

The mark is clearly a Z, no a N, check the serifs!
My thought is that this mark is NOT really related to the maker, it is one of those (for now) inexplicable marks. Either related to another maker who also distributed them or related to some technical process. Z does not equal a German word that comes to my mind for "scrap item."

On the other hand, this made me look deeper into the CABs with this design. I found a pattern in the setup combinations they use and it made me find out the actual maker of these. Can anyone guess?

Frank,

Unmarked Friedrich Orth. John

[Frank Heukemes]

Not my conclusion, John. But can you explain why you think so, please?

[Andy B.]

I thought these badges were attributed to Aurich. Here is a pic of mine with two "3" 's on it.
Andy B. collecting mini badge stickpins

[Frank Heukemes]

I know of your badge, Andy. These probably cannot be considered Pr******228;sidialkanzlei code marks. Why? There Aurich CAB are always marked HA (mark is part of the die) and it has a totally different design than your badge. YOur badge is indeed of the design of the type CAB discussed in this thread

[John R.]

Not my conclusion, John. But can you explain why you think so, please?

Frank,

I was looking at the hardware and it seems a fairly close match to the type used on FO destroyer and other badges, of course the submarine badge is horizontally pinned, but the same basic type of pin, hinge and catch.

It does look like the base plate to the hinge might not be the same from the first photo on this thread. Perhaps a butterfly type plate? Not sure, but still not like a Wernstein for example.

That said, FO normally marked its prolific manufacture of badges I think, but the hardware is what led me to this conclusion if one in fact can be made.

I guess a case can be made based on the base plate that it is an unmarked Hermann Aurich also.

What is your take then on this badge?

John

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

I would agree with Frank, the mark looks like it has been on the badge from the start. The toneing of the mark certainly looks uniform with the rest of the reverse. Interesting.

Tom D.

[Graeme]

After Franks comments I searched a few archives of badges with the same design and found quite a few unmarked with varying hardware. For me the different setups pointed to a couple possibilities with S&L being the most likely, but I still could not quite nail it.

cheers
Graeme

[Frank Heukemes]

Exactly, Graeme, here is the most obvious match, but it follows more of the S&L setup variations on other war badges.

[Frank Heukemes]

This setup variation is also a hinge and a catch that appear on other S&L war badges as a variation setup. (tyanacek collection)

[Philippe DB]

Dear Frank,

Very interesting. This indeed could make sense.

KR
Philippe

[Ludwig]

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Never seen that mm, but otherwise the badge looks OK to me.