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**Giel VW** · 10-05-2005, 05:29 AM

no one?

**Frank Heukemes** · 10-05-2005, 05:36 AM

Dear Giel,
You will come to a stage in your collection where you will regret that you did not return it now. It might be fine for the moment, especially at that price, but you will upgrade it one day and by then it will be hard to resell the one you have now.

**Philippe DB** · 10-05-2005, 08:19 AM

Hi Giel,

Well you payed arround €700 to €800 less than the actual market value of this badge. €200 nowadays won't even buy you a decent AC in zinc.

Like Frank wrote in the end you will never find peace of mind with this badge and once the day comes that you want to upgrade it will be as good as impossible to sell it on. As far as I'm concerned I would rather invest the €200 in any other nice badge than fool myself and hang on to messed with Schwerin AC.

Worn even very worn is acceptable to most collectors but messed with isn't

just my 2ct's

KR
Philippe

**Peter J.** · 10-05-2005, 08:24 AM

Philippe, would you care to comment on the rivet i.e. is the globe attached in a similar way as the eagle on the LW FJ?

KR
Peter

**skip** · 10-05-2005, 08:37 AM

IMO you should send it back Giel.
Like the others already said, it won´t give you any real enjoyment and you will always be thinking of an upgrade, in such a case you might as well not have the badge at all.

Peter, I´ve seen ACs that were ground dug and in two pieces, albeit examples in zinc. It looked to me like the rivet had been soldered onto the back of the globe in a recess and then pushed through the hole in the badge and riveted over.

Skip

**Philippe DB** · 10-05-2005, 08:56 AM

Peter IMO different badges will have different rivets but the way of attaching them would very much be the same.

Like Frank wrote the globe on a Schwerin AC badge is made of ALU and my best guess would be that the rivet was a hollow construction. Once you remove the rivet head the globe would simply fall off. After you refinished it you have a problem because the rivet head is gone and that is what we see on Giel's badge. They simply glued it back in to position leaving the hollow area of the rivet exposed.

KR
Philippe

**Peter J.** · 10-05-2005, 09:29 AM

Thanks Philippe. Perhaps we should wait for the close-ups from Giel, before taking this any further. At this point I still think the area inside the "rivet" shows alarming similar appearence as the badge itself.

Skip, now I'm even more confused. What you describe is the opposite procedure to the one on the FJ badge. It would also require two sets of rivets, one hollow soldered to the globe and inserted through the wreath. Then another pressed into the hollow rivet from the reverse. Sounds a bit far fetched to me.

KR
Peter

**Frank Heukemes** · 10-05-2005, 12:16 PM

Dear Peter,

There are indeed different kinds of rivet constructions. For example, there are Luftwaffe pilot eagles with "rivet" pins on the EAGLE which were just stuck into the hole of the wreath and then flattened or "domed."

**skip** · 10-05-2005, 12:35 PM

Hi Peter,

why 2 sets of rivets?
Just one thin piece of steel or buntmetal wire set into the reverse of the globe. This is pushed through the hole in the badge and hammered flat or, with a tool, round. Thats normal riveting procedure. I am not talking about hollow rivets here, just normal ones. This is also the way it was done on Pilots Badges for example.

Skip

**Peter J.** · 10-05-2005, 12:59 PM

Frank and Skip, you have to excause my ignorance, but I'm trying to learn as I go along

. Would you say the same technique is used on the enclosed FJ? To me that sounds odd, hence the rivet is being conic. If we for the sake of argument say that Giel's badge is fitted with the domed rivet type, wouldn't a broken head leave a flat surface, instead of a raised circel? If it on the other hand had a hollow rivet (as suggested by Philippe), surely a broken off head would leave a void inside the rivet (unless it was filled with glue). As I said before, this area seems to be the same as the rest of the badge. Don't give up on me, I'll eventually get it

KR
Peter

**Giel VW** · 10-06-2005, 09:33 AM

Thanks for the replies Phil and Frank

I will probably return the award unless he would sell it for half of that price

Peter, I've made a close up for you. The rivethead seemed to have been broken off as our guys stated.

**Giel VW** · 10-06-2005, 09:36 AM

Guys, I've got an other question, if the badge has been repainted, why isn't there any trace of that on the catch or hinge? Really nothing seems odd there...

**Frank Heukemes** · 10-06-2005, 11:52 AM

Good question, Giel. Btw can you confirm it is a Tombak badge? In the close up it suddenly looks like a zinc badge although hinge and catch indicate Tombak.
Here is what a Tombak badge should look like. Take a good look at the color of the fire gilt finish. "Lemony snicket" is what you should look for!

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**Frank Heukemes** · 10-06-2005, 11:53 AM

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