Interesting PABs. We know what site they are from. I post them for comment, especially the cutout for my friend, king-cutout....
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Marc,
I would dearly love to have one of these cut-out grass types! However, (and I may be wrong) this example looks to have been recently done to me.
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Hi Guys,
Well this is not for the fainthearted
Just last week together with Frank I discovered a new as good as perfect copy of the BH Mayer GAB from the same source. At first we thought there might be a chance that it was original and just to examine it in hand I bought it. Today it arrived but I forgot it at the office so more info on that one tomorrow.
For now I'm 100% certain that the frosted Porsche is a fake comming from the same source as the BH Mayer GAB. The finish being the biggest give away. However if I didn't already knew the GAB I wouldn't never have recognized it as a fake from the pics alone.
And here it gets difficult. After looking for only a few minutes at the cut-out grass Porsche I can't see anything that screems fake but taken in to account that it pops up together with the frosted one it just has to be a copy too. Same at with the BH Mayer GAB and the earlier discussed Juncker GAB copies the new trick seems to be to immediately produce variant's (set-up/finish) on the same theme with makes it extremely difficult to put 2 and 2 together.
Well I'm going to be bussy the rest of the evening trying to see if I can fault that first badge based upon the pics. If I find something I let you know, if not I probably have to buy it to learn more.
This is really getting frightening.
KR
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GOT IT! BOTH ARE 100% FU..... FAKES
This really beats everything ever made when it comes to PAB's but lucky for us they somekind of mark them just like the GAB. Probably to make sure never to buy them as originals themselfs
Try to find the faults yourself guys, no need to immediately give these crooks suggestions for improvement.
KR
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It proves they read this forum...closely!
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Phillipe - you should buy a PAB for the PAB book's fake section...Comment
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Hi Marc,Originally posted by Flak88It proves they read this forum...closely!
That is exactly the same thing Frank concluded after we found out the Mayer GAB was a fake. The attention to detail is absolutely frightening. I also really wonder how these badges are produced This is not the crappy stuff we are used to see when it comes to copies of combat badges. There is just no way to recognize them from anything else than absolutely perfect pictures like the ones you just posted.
KR
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Keep your eyes open for these to hit the market. I wonder if there will be a lot of frosty Porsche hitting soon or if they will squeeze them out slowly. Nice profit margin...
You fakers are real bastards.
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Originally posted by Philippe DB
They must have 3d scanning system cooperating with CNC machine. I have seen machines like this before, but they were very expansive. I guess prices went down...<o =""></o>Comment
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Robert,
Not at a university! They have them. I was out doing my SEM work and they had the 3D modeling stuff there and the Dr. I was working with told me it would be easy to make a perfect copy of any of my items, as far as how it looks. What would be harder he said was the weight, metarial, etc. It would be easy to make a form with these, and if you know what you are doing, start the process!
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Dear all,
As shocking as it might sound - but the next generation of fakes has arrived. Homework hours will be longer and more intense for collectors from now on.
The GAB fake Philippe is talking about, made to look like a BH Mayer, is almost perfect. But it is amazing how these idiots still always get *something* wrong.
In the case of the BH Mayer fake GAB, these are too small as well, in addition to the mistake. Otherwise, as good as perfect and obviously formed after a real BH Mayer which stood "model" for this high tech casting. It is so perfect that you don`t think about measuring it. I only did that when I already knew it had to be a fake. I learned that fact by pure chance.
I discovered a Y-shaped irregularity on the reverse, something I thought must be unique to that very "original" BH Mayer GAB I was holding. I only paid attention to that detail because of a BH Mayer / Frank & Reif comparision study I did at that time.
Then very recently, Philippe made me aware about new offerings of that well known Arican Hero guy whose pictures Marc posted above. I was amazed to see the very same Y-shaped irregularity on a GAB which looked much more odd in finish compared to my example. It was as shiny as that second PAB shown. Not carefully polished highlights, but a good "rubbing" which polished ALL highlights, something an original burnishing never does. Only accents are set by original burnishing, never an overall "polished" look. Philippe bought that second GAB so we could compare to my example.
I will christen this fake the Y-fake. So far, it is known in a dark steel grey, a dull silver and a highly "rubbed" shiny silver. The base metal always seems to be a modern, white metal alloy.
OBVERSE OF Y-FAKE:Cheers, Frank
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reverse (btw, there is a second, very, very tiny mistake on these I will keep for myself, look for the Y and you will be safe).Cheers, Frank
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The Y:Cheers, Frank
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Thanks Frank - great work, as always! Just to play Devil's advocate, why are these not real from a die that developed a flaw?
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Originally posted by Flak88Keep your eyes open for these to hit the market. I wonder if there will be a lot of frosty Porsche hitting soon or if they will squeeze them out slowly. Nice profit margin...
You fakers are real bastards.
Hi Marc,
You're absolutely correct these badges aren't mass produced they let them slip in to the market real slow as not to disturb things. Frank, Skip and I are following the distribution of the sc Juncker GAB and it's the same thing with that badge. Only last week one sliped in to the most famous Friday update
There biggest mistake is trying to over do it and produce these stone cold mint variants with eyeblindening finishes. At the end it was such a variant that finaly made us able to put 2 and 2 together on the Juncker copy. however at that moment we already had the other variant's in our collections
@Robert, Tws. Already heard of these maschines but always found it difficult to believe that they could manage this. On the other hand I never saw one in action.
KR
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