GB 25 PAB in Bronze

[Larry Lipps]

Gentlemen, we really appreciate the assistance with the GAB but now I think it's going to get a little more difficult. This GB 25 PAB is from the same collection we're looking at purchasing. I realize there are excellent fakes of this badge but hopefully some of you guys know what to look for in an original. The wreath on this one is 59.969 mm by 44.323 mm with the overall width being 46.563mm. The number box is 7.760mm wide. The weight is 24.7 grams. I took the photos in direct sunlight and it washed the bronze color to look more like gold so thak that into consideration. Okay, I'll let the photos speak for themselves.

The obverse,

[Larry Lipps]

The reverse,

[Larry Lipps]

The detail of the hinge,

[Larry Lipps]

The Catch and MM,

[Skipper Greenwade]

I understand that there are some very good reproductions of these. I've seen this one in person and like the age and wear, but haven't seen enough of them around to make a definitive or call.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Best,
Skip

[emaroli]

I have a similar GB 25 PAB from an old collection. My badge is the silver type and weights 24.9 g. I feel that these are from a later production run with a larger catch plate ( most likely scrap from another job, it is a common way to save money in production) and a couple other features. GB seems to have used at least 3 types/sizes of catch plates on their badges. The later pieces also don't seem to have the smashed rivets. ~Ed

[Warren O]

Larry,

The only thing I notice different on this badge from mine is the lack of a sharpened pin, I think it is a good badge.
Warren

[Skipper Greenwade]

Thanks for the help with this one...that's two 's so far. Anyone else? (I know these are tough to call, but would like just a little more of a 'warm fuzzy' before any $$$ changes hands. As I stated earlier, I like it, but haven't seen enougth of them to go it alone!)

Skip

[Philippe DB]

Hi Skip,

Textbook original and very difficult to find in Bronze. I agree with the remark on the pin but judging by the shape of the presure food I like to think that it's original to the badge. Lovely example

KR
Philippe

[Frank Heukemes]

I find it very hard to judge most of these numbered PABs by Brehmer just by a picture and cannot give an opinion either way. But the finish e.g. looks to be right.

[stogieman]

Hmmmm......

......... I rarely go out on a limb on these, but finish, detail and MM, as well as hinge/pin are what I like to see on these. Downside is they are tough to sell due to the repros floating about and inherant suspicion on these. But it's fine, from what I look for.

[IVAN]

Hi Larry,

I'm sorry but my honest opinion from what I can see ( but photos are very good done ) I don't think is a G.B. piece done in war time.

Poor material, many imperfections in die stamp in front and reverse, dimentions are too differents.

but is only my opinion...

[Jeff V]

After comparing these pictures to my GB 50 and to the great pictures of Seba's GB50 I have to agree with Ivan that this one is fake. The level of detail is not there, and if one does a search and compares this badge to the one Seba posted on Joe D'errico's thread on pab 50's you will see what I mean.

jeff

[emaroli]

Can someone who knows computers show side by side in photo's the difference in details between the badge listed on this thread and the badges listed here? Thanks, Ed

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...t=51741&page=1

[emaroli]

Larry, could I have pics of the shear marks on the sides. Thanks, Ed