Hi Guys, What do you think ? if it's a good badge who is the possible maker ?
Kr. Den
Kr. Den
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Looks to me like a well aged and worn rare "W" marked badge. See the little "W" on the left side of the hinge?
YuriComment
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Hi Den,
It's original and Yuri has a very good eye that looks indeed like a big "w". However based upon these angled pic it doesn't seem to be a Wurster design nor does it match the design of the GAB with the boxed "w". To me it looks like the Flatback design but better wait untill Frank gets back to see what he can make of it.
KR
PhilippeLast edited by Philippe DB; 04-06-2005, 03:18 PM.Comment
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Thank you for looking at this badge, didn't even noticed the 'w' left to the hinge, even now I have trouble seeing it, curious what Frank's opinion is.
DenComment
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Dear Den,
The "W" Yuri and Philippe see must be a trick of the eye on the picture, it cannot possibly be there. What we see is a GAB of this design, an unknown maker (your catchplate variation is also known):Cheers, Frank
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.Cheers, Frank
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The hardware on the reverse looks just like the same setup on SH.u.Co IAB´s
Same type is also seen on the flatback PAB´s.Regards
Hans N
Don´t throw away your fake WB´s! Get in touch with me.
I collect them for reference purposes for the benefit of the hobby (for the right "fake" price of course).Comment
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Hans,
I do not have a flat back PAB in my collection but the hinge/catch set up does look familiar to the ones that I have seen.
ChetZinc stinks!Comment
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Chet,
it just happens that i have one in my collection
. Here´s the reverse pic of my flatback PAB.
Regards
Hans N
Don´t throw away your fake WB´s! Get in touch with me.
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Hans,
How about that? Where's Philippe for some input?
ChetZinc stinks!Comment
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Another thing that speaks for my little discovery is that Den´s posted GAB has the typical SH.u.Co crimped in catch. The eagle featured on the GAB posted by Frank matches the eagle of the Flatback PAB IMHO
It´s to mutch to be coinsidential if you ask me.
Maybe i am sticking my head out a bit to mutch here
Regards
Hans N
Don´t throw away your fake WB´s! Get in touch with me.
I collect them for reference purposes for the benefit of the hobby (for the right "fake" price of course).Comment
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Hi Hans,
This crossed my mind also but I guess hardware alone isn't enough to base conclusions on.
There exist Shuco IAB's with completely different hardware and even a crimped set-up not to be encountered on these PAB's or GAB's. On the other hand these badges, although scares, also come with hardware not to be seen on the Shuco's.
And then there is ofcourse the mm, Shuco marked quite a few of there IAB's so you at least would expect that maybe some of these GAB's or PAB's also would carry the mm, but that isn't the case. Non of these badges were ever seen with a mm.
KR
PhilippeComment
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Dear Philippe,
as i said to Chet i have no proof that these are made by SH.u.Co. But for some reason i beleave it´s very unlikely that they just made IAB´s as Heer warbadges. Your right of course that going by the reverse set up isn´t enough, but there shure is something there.
Both the GAB´s posted here and the flatback PAB´s with their matching obverse features and the reverse SH.u.Co type of set up can´t be ignored in my opinion. The coincidence or what we choose to call it that the GAB´s posted by both Frank and Den both has the typical SH.u.Co catches from different types of that makers IAB´s together with their type of hinge can´t be ignored as i see it.
I didt mean that these GAB´s and PAB´s comes with a Crimped set up i was only saying that the GAB shown by Den has the typical catchtype from the crimped in SH.u.Co IAB with the wide plate. And we know atleast that SH.u.Co had a close relationship with Wernstein and this doesn´t necessary means that they couldn´t had a another close relationship with another makers.
Regarding the mm on their IAB´s, it´s my opinion that the unmarked ones are late war made and this also goes for the unmarked Destroyer badges. In the late stage of the war many makers probably had problems with their manufacture of badges due to the allied bombings and etc and thus it´s very likely that SH.u.Co could have been asked or took up on their selves to start making GAB´s and PAB´s, this could explain the absense of the mm.
One fact is though that the maker SH.u.Co has a very mysteriuos and unknown history with a lot of variations of IAB´s that on the other hand could explain why SH.u.Co maybe never made any other warbadges.
Personally i have very hard to think that they only made IAB´s, Destroyer and Coastal Artillery badges and Westwall medals. It don´t make sense to me.
Posting the catch from a crimped in type made by SH.u.Co.
Sorry if i highjacked your GAB-thread Den!Regards
Hans N
Don´t throw away your fake WB´s! Get in touch with me.
I collect them for reference purposes for the benefit of the hobby (for the right "fake" price of course).Comment
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