Anti Partisan Badge stickpins...opinions?

[WARLORD]

This is a pre 1945 Anti partisan badge. As are the other minitures except the Silver wound badge and the silver close combat clasp. The chain is also pre 1945.

[Peter J.]

Now you've lost me . When I put forward the opinion the chain was not german produced, you agreed to that and said it was bought in Austria. So what is it, pre-45 Austrian manufacture

KR
Peter

[WARLORD]

Correct, the man was Austrian and lived in Insbruck. His unit was raised from the region. No 482. He added upgrades to his chain after the war.

[Peter J.]

Thanks Chris, I won't dispute your BKA for the time being, but I have my serious doubts. I'm convinced we'll hear more on this issue in the future. Thanks for sharing the chain

KR
Peter

[Gerd Becker]

Correct, the man was Austrian and lived in Insbruck. His unit was raised from the region. No 482. He added upgrades to his chain after the war.

That would make sense to me. There was no swastica ban in Austria, as far as i know and he would have been able to wear his WW2 awards after the war.

Were WW2 awards also to Austrians awarded AFTER the war?

To the BKA, we will never know, i guess. I admit, it doesn´t look bad, but i would love to see some good closeups and also the reverse, if possible.

[WARLORD]

As to the originality of the chain and periods there is no doubt. The recipient could have bought the two 1957 pieces as a result that he had been wounded and had not the correct piece at the time. Thus he would upgrade the chain. The frame is interesting in the fact that you can open it to take out the chain, the shoulder board remains in the frame. As stated this came from Insbruck direct from the family.

[Chris Boonzaier]

As to the originality of the chain and periods there is no doubt. The recipient could have bought the two 1957 pieces as a result that he had been wounded and had not the correct piece at the time. Thus he would upgrade the chain. The frame is interesting in the fact that you can open it to take out the chain, the shoulder board remains in the frame. As stated this came from Insbruck direct from the family.

Austrians do not have 57 pieces.... unless they buy them from Germany. The 57 law is German. Austrian firms can happily make things in the pre 45 manner.

[WARLORD]

You are quite corect and supply the logical answer.

[Chris Boonzaier]

At the show in Flohnheim I have seen on occasion a guy from Lüdensheid who had a bag of different minis, a few hundred Spanish cross minis, a few hundred panzer assaults, few hundred paratrooper.... always "found in a cellar" and they are bought "nudge, nudge, wink, wink...cellar, right " by the dealers there


I think he is a lying fraud.

There is no way, either way, to PROVE these are good or bad. Give it a few years until folks are used to them... and they will be original. Time seems to make all well made, unmarked pieces original.

[Mickey T]

Warlord, I believe you are Chris Ailsby who is implicated on some serious skullduggery on this thread which has created some recent interest.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&page=1&pp=15

[Peter J.]

Hi Mickey.

I appreciate your concern, but I'm fully aware of the identity of WARLORD.
The issue in this thread though is not the integrity of mr Ailsby, rather comments about the BKA. I seek information from many various sources and as long as Chris is a member of this forum, I'll continue to do so. But you can rest
a sure, I don't believe everything I hear

KR
Peter

[Andy B.]

At the show in Flohnheim I have seen on occasion a guy from Lüdensheid who had a bag of different minis, a few hundred Spanish cross minis, a few hundred panzer assaults, few hundred paratrooper.... always "found in a cellar" and they are bought "nudge, nudge, wink, wink...cellar, right " by the dealers there


I think he is a lying fraud.

There is no way, either way, to PROVE these are good or bad. Give it a few years until folks are used to them... and they will be original. Time seems to make all well made, unmarked pieces original.

Chris,
What your saying is very disturbing. This seems to indicate to me that any of the minis might come into question as to be post war. Seems to be a very scary situation for us mini collectors. A couple of thoughts, what were the prices on the minis you saw for sale? and, is it possible to get pics of them for comparison with other minis (that members know to be original)?
Gee, and I thought it was going to be easier (and cheaper) to collect the minis.
Andy B.

[Chris Boonzaier]

This was about 3 or so years ago.

Off hand I remember Spanish cross Minis, para badge, Panzer, and I think stickpin EK clasps. He had little plastic bags, about the size of a pack of smokes full.
The next time I saw him he was selling full sized badge parts (wreaths etc.)

I did not get the full details, but next to me passed the comment that he always had new toys in his bag, and with peripherally I saw that the prices the dealers paid were rather steep for what I considered to be fakes. they in turn did not put them on their tables at the show, but I have seen them on the tables since then.

It could be that they were infact good, but personally I doubt it.

The problem I see is, if they are indeed fakes... what benchmark is there of telling a fake from a goodun, especially as the "well the quality looks good..." is no longer a realistic measure.

[Gerd Becker]

Thats scary, Chris . Btw, the BKA wasn´t reinstituted in 57, so a 57th version like Gregs stickpin wouldn´t make sense

[WARLORD]

The Anti partisan badge was re introduced in 1957 with a varried designe.