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    AS in triangle PABs – hoard find in Gablonz

    Hi,

    I saw pictures of interesting PABs in Lacky’s thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=938716, similar pictures apperead also in local forums, FB and other discussions. Thatsway I would like to tell you little more about them:

    I know that this find was made here in Gablonz about 1 year ago. It was a hoard of unfinished badges found in a house. Possibly a place where some home worker was assembling the pins to the badges as all the pieces are missing the pins. The end of war came and the worker possibly hide the unfinished pieces. Unfortunately there is no proven connection to the factory, manufacturer etc. also no paperwork was found there so everything is a speculation.

    What is very interesting on them is the design. Check closely the grass pattern. You will see that this is not a grass pattern that you know from AS in triangle (AST) badges. Only 2 offical grass patterns are known on AS in triangle badges. This one presented on the unfinished pieces is totally new. I think that this was a new design of badges produced at the of war. It seems they never reached the final production step and the distribution. Other unique feature on this badges are the catches. You can see all of them are made from round wires. Not flattened as was usual by the other AS in triangle pieces. I think this was late war optimalization to save the production time, as the flattening of the catch (before forming it to his S form) was done as an extra production step. The ball hinge and the catch on this examples are made from steel (magnetic) material.

    Does anybody have such badge in collection – in finished form???

    Lets study this new grass pattern on 3 examples from my collection:

    1. an unfinished planchet that I ground dug in 2006 near former Scholze company with other unfinished pieces from his production http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...nished+gablonz
    2. piece from old collection that I got from local collector in Gablonz
    3. sample from the hoard that we are discussing right now

    Also see 2 common grass patterns that we know by standard AS in triangle PABs to compare.

    More opinions welcome.

    Best regards
    Pavel
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      #3
      Hi Pavel,
      Very interesting observation. I'm away from home right now but will look at my AS in a Triangle PABs when I get home. I remember Jiri telling me that he believed there was such a shortage of workers at the end of the war that maybe the Gablonz makers were sending badges out to individuals to finish the hardware at their own homes and workshops. He told me this after someone had brought in a large lot of tanks (no wreaths) for JFS numbered PABs that they had found in an old house. Pure speculation, but this could very well support that theory.
      Dale

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        #4
        Here is my PAB silver AS in triangle.
        It´s not in the best condition and I don´t know if it help you.



        Andy
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              #7
              Hi Andy,

              thanks for posting the pictures. Your badge is badge with grass pattern 1 which together with grass pattern 2 is common and wide spread on AS triangle PABs. I was talking about the new grass pattern that is presented on the hoard find pieces and the 2 examples from my collection.

              See bellow the detailed comparasion of the AS in triangle PABs grass patterns.

              Any more opinions welcome.

              Best regards
              Pavel
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                #8
                Nice! Are there any finished examples of these "3rd grass pattern"?

                Regards
                HOW

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                  #9
                  Pavel,
                  A nice presentation. Good work.

                  Chet
                  Zinc stinks!

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                    #10
                    Thanks Chet.

                    Best regards
                    Pavel

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                      #11
                      I have posted a badge at warrelics for review that looks very similar to your #2 in first post above but it is being called out as a fake; could you look at it and compare with yours as the grass on mine along with the catch and ball hinge are what have caused concern.

                      http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/panzer...iangle-689926/

                      thank you
                      Joe

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                        #12
                        Hi Joe,

                        unfortunately your badge is a fake. The hardware is not correct, especially the catch. Plus there are other wrong points.

                        Best regards
                        Pavel

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