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    Another Juncker Type 3 Heer Para for review

    Since my first attempt at acquiring a Heer para badge was a bust, I thought I'd give it another go. I tried to apply the points brought up in my other Thread by Tom, Giel, Jeff, and JohnT to this one, thus there are some things I like about it and some things I don't. I'd appreciate your thoughts regarding the badge and points I make below.

    The goods:

    * Eagle appears to show crisp detail and the correct spacing of the tail feathers from the body. As JohnT mentioned though - fakes these days have pretty much corrected this so not a distinctive feature anymore.

    * Rivets show the characteristic pinch. As Tom said in his book, this is not "always" found, but the question is - is this feature found on fakes?

    * Short barrel hinge block appears to show striations. You have to look close at all the photo angles, but I can see some slight ones, and the major one looks like it is on the side facing the top back of the eagle's head.

    * Pin is magnetic (welcome departure from my other example, but not in itself a redeeming quality).

    * Hand filing and/or finishing of the wreath. I can see enough evidence on the wreath (especially at the back bottom of the swastika) to indicate there was an attempt to hand finish it. I'm assuming this though is also being done on "high end" fakes.


    The bads:

    * Even though the rivets have the "pinch", they look like copper rather than brass. This could be the pictures, but there is consistency at all angles to cause me concern.

    * Wreath finish. It's hard to really get a sense of the finish as the luster changes based on the angle so I'll withhold my unqualified judgment as to whether the finish is Juncker or some refinished BS, but what I really don't see is the true "bubbling" encountered on zink badges with a brennlack finish. It looks like there are bubbles, but it appears more to be grit or something resulting from the casting process. This feature appears to be present on the back of Martin's badge which has rightfully been given a resounding thumbs-up.

    * Eagle finish. Silver looks a little cheesy to me and the patina on the back looks almost artificially applied. I have seen some strange patinas on original zink badges with a high quality silver wash, but there's something about this one that gives me goosebumps.

    * The hinge roller bar seems to be a little thick and the finishing on the left side looks sloppy.


    So I'm not trying to make it sound like I've got all the knowledge now to pass judgment on one of these, more so I'm having a little fun testing what I've learned in looking at the 50 - 60 or so here on WAF. What do you guys think, am I chasing another ghost? If this one is fake then I will go for one more attempt as the third time should be a charm

    Thanks in advance for your inputs.

    vr

    Bob
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            Hi Bob,

            You have a winner there! Very nice original Juncker in great condition. Rivets do look a tad coppery, but that really just depends on the amount of copper in the brass rivets they used. Brass is mostly copper, with small amounts of zink and tin added to it.

            Nice original with great finish Bob, a keeper for sure.

            Tom
            If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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              This is not regarding the originality of the badge but is the dark finish on the back of the eagle accordance to what is expected? If so, what is this "look" caused by?

              Thanks!

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                Originally posted by Persian Gulf View Post
                This is not regarding the originality of the badge but is the dark finish on the back of the eagle accordance to what is expected? If so, what is this "look" caused by?

                Thanks!
                That is tarnish. Typical of silver-finished pieces.

                If you were to dip this in Tarn-X, the black tarnish would disappear, but I DO NOT recommend doing that to this badge. It is perfectly natural and fine the way it is IMO.

                Tom
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                  Tom,

                  Many thanks for jumping on this so quick and giving it the thumbs-up. For obvious reasons I wanted it to be original, and even though I tried using some of the info gained from your book and the comments you guys posted on my other one to give myself a bit of confidence, I was preparing for the worst.

                  I will be working out the deal on it tonight and will post better pics when it arrives.

                  Regarding the comments on the patina - I have somewhat perfected my methods for cleaning and preserving TR militaria over my 39 years of collecting and there are solutions that are much milder than Tarn-X that will remove patina and then facilitate the uniform reforming of it in a relatively short period of time. If performed correctly, the patina on this eagle can be removed with no ill effects and make this badge look as it did when produced. In about 8 months it will have repatinated, but in a uniform way, rather than splotchy like it is now.

                  I will make a determination when I receive it if this is necessary or not based on the "wow factor" I get when I open it.

                  Many thanks once again for your comments on the badge and I'll post pics when he lands.

                  Regards!

                  Bob

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                    Bob,
                    I don't collected these, however I want to congratulate you on getting back on the horse after you were thrown off the first time around.

                    Chet
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                      Thanks Chet. My butt still hurts from that, and although I'd like to say that once this arrives I'll forget all about it, all that will do is cast the die for repeat mistakes and/or complacency.

                      Also, it's easy to get back on that horse when you've got good dudes like Tom who make it easy with his awesome reference book as well as the expertise of many on this Forum

                      Regards!

                      Bob


                      Originally posted by Chet Sowersby View Post
                      Bob,
                      I don't collected these, however I want to congratulate you on getting back on the horse after you were thrown off the first time around.

                      Chet
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                        #12
                        That is a nice badge!
                        Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.

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                          Badge arrived this afternoon and here are some new pics.

                          The seller is an antique dealer in Seattle and he told me this badge was brought in by one of his pickers who went to a Goodwill sale where they were running auctions on locked suitcases etc.. (similar concept to the American TV show "Storage Wars"). In the suitcase was this badge and, as he termed it, a broken "Ground Assault Badge". I assumed he meant a Luftwaffe Ground Combat Badge. He said he didn't buy it because it was broken (didn't specify what was broke). Stories are stories, but it's all I've got to go on. Nonetheless, I couldn't be happier with it.

                          Thanks Jeff for your comment Tuesday and those who helped me along on this one

                          Regards!

                          Bob
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                              Very nice score! In lovely condition too!


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