Another GAB

[JamesT]

Good day Folks

I thought that this is a fake but I thought I'd check.

Thanks

James

[rbminis]

It looks like an attributed RK, (Rudolf Karneth), with a block hinge.
Ralph.

[JamesT]

Wow! That's a real result. It so nearly went in the bin. Many thanks

Here is another picture.

This GAB will be offered to the forum later today.

[Wiking44]

This may sound odd, but the bubbling on the back is somehow charming. lol

[rbminis]

This may sound odd, but the bubbling on the back is somehow charming. lol

A common problem with zinc awards.
Ralph.

[Wim Vangossum]

No problems with this one.


Regards, Wim

[Wiking44]

A common problem with zinc awards.
Ralph.

Roger...that's why I like it.

[JamesT]

This may sound odd, but the bubbling on the back is somehow charming. lol

It was the bubbling that kept me awake last night and persuaded me to ask the question about genuineness. So yes I agree - charming.

[JamesT]

Thanks everyone for the on this one.

Now off to the for sale table.

J

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi James

......Looks to be a good one. That bubbling of the coating is a good sign of originality as thew other members here have stated.

R.K. is as yet unknown. Once thought to be the maker mark of Rudolf Karneth, but not conclusively linked to that manufacturer at this time.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi James,

Nice original Rudolf Karneth GAB. Even with the oxidation bubbling, a nice-looking example.

Tom

[Bruce Simcox]

Karneth is R.K.?

.....Just when was Karneth linked conclusively as the maker of these?

As I recall it was still a toss up between Karneth and Kriesel as recently as late February 2017.

Perhaps there is a new evidence of this link I must have missed? I would like to see it. If Karneth has been definitely linked to the initials R.K. then that's great. In performing a search(using Karneth as the keyword) I couldn't find anything showing a definite link to Karneth involving the initials R.K.

The closest determination that perhaps, just perhaps there exists a link is a statement made by Antonio in the following thread from late February 2017. I will list several quotes from that thread.

The thread: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=Karneth

Antonio S.: "Of course we can link these pieces with the Karneth firm, especially those like the Kuban until today from a totally unknown maker."

Tom D.: " Hi Pavel,

Thanks very much for the background, much appreciated my friend. Even though it doesn't reveal exactly who the maker is behind the initials RK, it is still a very significant find and should certainly be a step forward for any remaining doubters out that that RK made all these badges. This find is singificant for several reasons:"

Pavel: " I got the IAB from a guy that was selling a group of RK badges. He said the group was found in a house in Gablonz 30 yers ago. Of course I asked for more details hoping to get more info about the find location. Hoping to finally get more evidence if RK was Karneth or Kreisel. Unfortunately the house doesnt have any connection to any local manufacturer. Also no paperwork etc. was found together. The IAB came with other IAB (bronze grade - but it has the standard RK hardware), with RK PAB, with RK GAB and with unfinished RK minesweeper. Lets see the pictures of the other items.

What does it say to us? We can guess that this all items were made by one manufacturer - by RK. But the mystery who RK is, is still here.... :-)

Stepdale: " Pavel,
Once again, a nice find! As you say, it doesn't provide evidence of who RK was.

I'm sure you've discussed it many times with Jiri, but I believe he is a fount of information for the local area since he has collected for so many years. I recall him telling me that he believed RK had to be Karneth, as it was the only Gablonz maker with those initials large enough to produce this number of badges, as Kreisel was a small firm and couldn't have done so much. Of course, with the AGMuK, it's entirely possible that many of the products, especially the unmarked ones, could have been spread out amongst various makers to manufacture using the same dies and hardware."

So, since everyone except Pavel(from what I can determine) is now stating that R.K. is Karneth.....My question is this: when did this become fact?

Perhaps I should have searched for links in some of the other Forums, however I limited my search to just the Heer/SS War and Qualifications Badges Forum.

Respectfully,

[Graeme]

Hi James

Nice looking badge

With the head on these looking so strange I can understand collectors thinking it being a fake, but the finish, textbook crimped catch and hinge, plus style of hardware points to an original.
I am with the others that think the bubbling adds character to badges.

Bruce made some important points regarding the maker of this badge.

If the maker turns out to be Karneth then all well and good. When it comes to discussions there are often many assumptions that help build a picture that is not necessarily the correct picture.

The most important fact about your badge is that the consensus is that it is an original.

best regards
Graeme