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    Gold CCC for Review

    Hello,

    This Gold CCC has made an appearance before, but I'd like to get some further consideration before I toss it in the reproduction pile considering the rarity and cost of this grade. The clasp, IMO, is either a really good fake or an original with issues. Some things to note:

    As compared to Durante's Book on CCC's:

    1.) This clasp is approximately 1 cm short in every direction (wingspan, overall length and width.)

    2.) Only the hinge is magnetic (correct); the backplate, catch and pin are all non-magnetic (incorrect)

    3.) The catch has leftover residue inside the C.

    4.) The pin is cut in a strange fashion. The part the touches the back of the clasp near the hinge is flat and the opposite side is missing material.

    5.) There is not a ring around the catch crimp.

    IMO, each of the issues can be explained. The hardware was replaced or used from a different stock, the machine detail wore down...etc.

    To back this up, I have posted 3 A.G.M.u.Ks in my collection. All match the specs listed in the book. However, they do all vary from each other. The indentions around the plate on the black plate bronze are smaller than the other bronze and silver..... the crimp around the catch on each is at varying degrees of indentation into the badge....the blue plate bronze has molding mark across the bottom where the other two do not....among other things.

    I was wondering if its possible that this Gold Clasp could be real and just have issues/vary from the accepted standards or truly is a fake.

    Many thanks for the help in advance!

    Nathan
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    Last edited by ErwinRommel1940; 03-23-2017, 10:14 PM.

    #2
    Notice the residue inside the catch and the lack of material at the base of the pin.
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      #3
      Note the missing material on the other side of the base of the pin.
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            #6
            Another thing is that the clasp is rather thin and lacks convexity. I do not have another JFS clasp for comparison, so if someone could post one at this angle, it would be much appreciated.
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              #7
              Note the indents around the back plate on the black plate are smaller on the top and bottom and bigger on the sides.
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              Last edited by ErwinRommel1940; 03-23-2017, 10:13 PM.

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                #8
                Yes, the blue plate bronze's catch is super-glued to the badge. The previous owner broke it and thought that was a good way to fix it...
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                  #9
                  My 1st type JFS in bronze. Hope this helps.
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                    #10
                    Thanks Glenn66!!

                    Based on my eyeballing, the convexity and thickness are ok....further convincing me it has a chance...

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                      #11
                      No one has any thoughts?!

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                        #12
                        Its quite a well done casting from an original in my opinion, look at the catch - it is cast as part of the whole badge with a seam behind it- you won't see that on any real badge

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                          #13
                          How does it compare in terms of weight? If it's a casting, it'll be lighter than an original.

                          Neil

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                            #14
                            For me this is a nicely made fake. Details are a tad soft compared with original JFS clasps. I see you measured it and its a full 1 mm shorter in all aspects, very classic sign of a cast fake.

                            Hardware is also a big red flag, pin is not correct and backplate should ALWAYS be magnetic on JFS CCCs. Their crimping method was EXCELLENT, so there is very little chance of one missing its backplate and necessitating a replacement. Big red flag there too.

                            Tom
                            If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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                              #15
                              The OP states it is "1 cm" shorter in each direction, not 1 mm? If it's 1 cm shorter in each direction then it's a fake for sure.

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