Opinions on badges please 2

[JensF.]

Silver IAB must be Buntmetall and unworn. Bronze IAB with maker "FLL".

[JensF.]

Back

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear majorpayne,

I will offer definite opinions about the IABs and a guess about the Flak badge:

-first IAB silver is a fake, you will notice that it is unnaturally flat and lacks the line on the gun butt. I attached the bronze version of that fake that I had the chance to examine.

-second IAB "FLL" bronze is fine, I see no problems.

-Flak badge looks ok to me, but cannot say for sure, just a gut feeling.

Cheers, Frank H.

[Frank Heukemes]

Obverse of the FAKE

[Frank Heukemes]

this FAKE is too flat among other serious flaws

[JensF.]

Many thanks Frank! Are you absolutely sure about the silver IAB?

[skip]

Frank, are you sure about this Flak Badge, it looks very much like the ones flying around milweb by the hundred.
Look carefully around the edges of the wreath and the sides of the cannon, are there heavy lines that look like rough file marks? if so the this is a cast copy which has then been sawn out with a fine saw, the marks are the teeth marks from the blade.

Skip

[JensF.]

Better scans of the FLAK:

[JensF.]

FLAK back:

[Mark S.]

100% FAKE.

I have handled one of these myself, and they are rough, to say the least. Compare to this one.

[Mark S.]

reverse (the hinge and pin had actually broken off this one, I put it in place for the picture)

[dkelley]

Gentlemen:

For whatever this may be worth, Hermann Wernstein manufactured IAB's without vaulting. These pieces I refer to though were marked with his logo.

He also made an unmarked general assault badge without any vaulting. May I suggest we not condemn too quickly a badge because it is unvaulted. But as you do clearly imply, one should carefully examine any badge, vaulted or not.

I would gladly provide an example, accept my computer ate my files again! Drat!

With best regards,

Dan.

[Mark S.]

..and the file marks that Skip mentioned. Notice the scorch marks as well.

[Jan Arne S]

Flak Badge

Hi Guys !
I have seen a Flak Badge with this hinge and catch , but maker marked "W" for Hermann Wernstein . Dont like that badge . Like Mark I think the Flak Badge is a Fake .

Lillegutt

[JensF.]

M. Schroeder, are you sure? The badge you show there is a fake?